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To: hedgetrimmer

I have always been against subsidies for ANY business. The fact the WTO has suddenly seen a little light is of no relevance to me. I don't spend any of my time paying attention to the WTO. A good idea is a good idea, no matter who came up with it.

Please do not confuse things like building highways with subsidizing farmers. It is an incredibly fuzzy leap. A farm is NOT a public works project. I don't know what farm you have ever visited but believe me, it is not a public works project. A farmer is a businessman, nothing more, nothing less, and all this mythical chuckleheaded view of them as heros or saints is ridiculous. There is absolutely nothing a farmer does that has any more instrinsic value than the person who installs heatings systems in your house, repairs you car, mows your lawn, or does your nails at the beauty shop. They all compete fairly in the marketplace for your patronage, and the idea that the government can come along and decide that some of those people should get money from the government is absurd.
And let me tell you something else that is incredibly unfair about this whole subject. Because the government subsidizes farmers, food costs more. If it weren't for the government propping up peanut farmers you would pay one third what you now pay for a jar of peanut butter. Do you honestly think it is fair that a farmer who makes 100 thousand a year earns his money by conspiring with the government to keep prices high and thus earns his income on the back of someone trying to make ends meet on 10 dollars an hour. In your world that is what is fair because you have decided farmers deserve special treatment. What you are advocating is basic socialism. What I am advocating is free market. None of your skewed logic is going to change that.


337 posted on 10/28/2005 2:15:39 AM PDT by Casloy
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To: Casloy

I am denouncing the marxist rhetoric of the "free traders". I am not confusing building highways with anything.

Your arguments have no basis in the reality of soveriegn nations, what you argue is theoretical based on an economic equation with only one variable, price.

In reality, there are many variables, here's an example used many many times. "free traders" want the lowest price. The absolute lowest price can be obtains if slaves produce the product. Now add sovereign law into your economic equation. Slavery was abolished in the US, US workers therefore will never compete in your stilted economic view because they are not slaves. Your economic argument says that if the best price can be obtained by slave labor, then laws approved by our citizens no longer apply. China has at least 10 million slave laborers in their logai and they effectively control our economy now. The "free traders" have sold out a fundamental principle that has guided the United States for a century. No conservative can support this, but all "free traders" argue endlessly for it. Let's hear where you stand.


343 posted on 10/28/2005 8:55:50 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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