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To: Kryptonite
Kryptonite said: "Jones sued Clinton for sexual harassment. Her case was settled. Fuhrman was discredited, but never convicted of perjury."

From a quick Yahoo search: "Mark Fuhrman, a detective who was a witness at the O.J. Simpson trial pled guilty on October 2, 1996, to perjury for denying under oath that he had uttered slurs against blacks. He was placed on three years probation and fined $200 for a single count of felony perjury. "

Perhaps you would like to explain just how the "settlement" of the Paula Jones case resulted in Clinton losing his law license. Clinton was never convicted of perjury, but I think your on the wrong forum if you expect to convince many here that he didn't commit perjury as well as several counts of obstruction of justice, conspiracy to obstruct justice, and subornation of perjury.

98 posted on 10/25/2005 12:02:19 AM PDT by William Tell (Put the RKBA on the California Constitution - Volunteer through rkba.members.sonic.net)
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NEWSWEEK: Vice President Cheney and Close-Knit Group of Advisers Aggressively Advanced Case for Iraq War, Chasing Down Critics and Setting the Stage for the CIA Leak Case


After 9/11, Cheney's Chief of Staff Lewis Libby Would 'Pump' Intelligence
Officials for Raw Information on Iraq

Cheney Aide John Hannah, Speculated to Be Key Figure In Leak Investigation, Is
Not a Target, Says Lawyer: Hannah 'Knew Nothing...This Is Craziness'

NEW YORK, Oct. 23 /PRNewswire/ -- Soon after 9/11, I. Lewis "Scooter"
Libby, Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, began routinely calling
intelligence officials, high and low, to pump them for any scraps of
information on Iraq. He would read obscure, unvetted intelligence reports and
grill their authors, but always in a courtly manner, report Newsweek's
National Security Correspondent John Barry and Investigative Correspondents
Michael Isikoff and Mark Hosenball in the October 31 issue (on newsstands
Monday, October 24). The intel officials were often more than a little
surprised. It was extraordinarily unusual for the vice president's office to
step so far outside of channels and make personal appeals to mere analysts.
"He was deep into the raw intel," one government official tells Newsweek.

(Photo: http://www.newscom.com/cgi-bin/prnh/20051023/NYSU004 )

Libby was the most relentless digger in Cheney's close-knit group of
advisers, which also included Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Deputy
Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith, Rumsfeld's under secretary
for policy. Together, the group largely despised the on-the-one-hand/on-the-
other analyses handed up by the intelligence bureaucracy. Instead, they went
in search of intel that helped advance their case for war, Newsweek reports.
Central to that case was the belief that Saddam was determined to get
nukes -- a claim helped by a report that Saddam had attempted to buy uranium
from Niger, which the White House doggedly pushed.

Ambassador Joseph Wilson
damaged that claim with his landmark New York Times op-ed piece, printed on
July 6, 2003, about his trip to Niger to investigate the story, during which
he concluded it was not credible. Within the White House inner circle,
Wilson's op-ed was seen as an act of aggression against President Bush and
Cheney. Someone, perhaps to punish the loose-lipped diplomat, let it be known
to columnist Robert Novak and other reporters that Wilson's wife, Valerie
Plame, was an undercover CIA operative, a revelation that is a possible
violation of laws protecting classified information. This week the
two-year-long investigation of that leak could finally end. It is widely
expected that Patrick Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor appointed in the
case, may issue indictments for one or more top administration officials,
possibly including Karl Rove and Scooter Libby.

Some lawyers close to the case are convinced Fitzgerald has a mysterious
"Mr. X" -- a yet unknown principal target or cooperating witness. Some press
reports identified John Hannah, Cheney's deputy national-security adviser, as
a potentially key figure in the investigation. Hannah played a central
policymaking role on Iraq and was known to be particularly close to Ahmad
Chalabi, whose Iraqi National Congress supplied some of the faulty
intelligence about WMD embraced by the vice president in the run-up to the
invasion. Last week Hannah's lawyer Thomas Green told Newsweek his client
"knew nothing" about the leak and is not a target of Fitzgerald's probe. "This
is craziness," he said.

Whatever news Fitzgerald makes this week, however, the case has shed light
on how Cheney and his clique of advisers cleared the way to war, and how they
obsessed over critics who got in the way. "The notion that they've become a
gang has some merit," says a longtime colleague of Libby's. "A small group who
only talk to each other...You pay a price for that."

(Read article at http://www.Newsweek.com.


99 posted on 10/25/2005 12:09:03 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: William Tell

Maybe Libby will lose his law license too. Maybe not.

Jones' case was not about perjury, but the articles of impeachment from the Lewinski scandal were, and we know how that turned out. You brought up the Jones case and I responded to that. He had his law license suspended as part of an agreement to end the independent counsel's investigation.

But the main point is that Fuhrman's and Clinton's lies were material to the investigations that were going on. I don't see how Libby allegedly lying about where he heard of Plame being material if Fitzgerald cannot prove that Plame's identity as an undercover agent was known.


142 posted on 10/25/2005 7:35:59 AM PDT by Kryptonite (McCain, Graham, Warner, Snowe, Collins, DeWine, Chafee - put them in your sights)
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