When a worldview competes with religion (Darwinsim is a 'secular religion')

Charlotte Observer ^ | 24 Oct 2005 | CARLIN ROMANO

[furball4paws]

Ya wanna cough up a name and a link?

[Doctor Stochastic]

Oldances were good enough for the Founders, they are good enough for us.

Minuets, Gigues, Gavottes, Allemands? Maybe we only have the Allemand left. with your left hand, a left to your partner, and a right and left grand....

[furball4paws]

I've always had a soft spot for cakewalks.

[Doctor Stochastic]

Golliwog fan?

I found ragtime interesting too.

[furball4paws]

Sure and La Petite Negre. I love playing Debussy and Chopin. I just wish I was better. Chopin is much richer and really difficult.

[RightWhale]

We play two gavottes, but the young people these days don't know what to do so they just sit and listen. They don't even know how to rock. They are good at looking stuned when it snows, not knowing what to do with a snow shovel. What's the matter with these kids today?

[Right Wing Professor]

Unlike many pro-evolution types, however, he agrees with creationists and intelligent-design advocates that evolution often operates as not just a scientific theory about species, but also as a worldview that competes with religion.

Personally, I'm not a fan of Ruse, but you might consider where you're going with this. If evolutionism is a world view, and evolution is scientifically valid, then that validates the worldview, does it not? It means that competing worldviews may not just be worse or better or different or different in some respects, but demonstrably incorrect.

I'm not a fan of Baptist Christianity either, and I can give you 15 reasons why, but none of thse reasons is that it is demonstrably incorrect. Do you want to concede to me the power to claim that it is not just misguided, but that it can be shown to be scientifically wrong?

[boatbums]

Hasn't anyone on FR ever heard of Punctuated Equilibrium? Guess not...

Oooo, ooo, I can, I can!

It's a fabrication used by Evos to explain the HUGE gaps in the fossil record. Since there is NO physical evidence to prove their premise that one species mutated into an entirely new species (transmutation) and that not enough time has elapsed for it to have happened anyway, then stuff just must have made sudden jumps and leaps from the one to the next.

And they say we make a leap of faith!!!

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Hasn't anyone on FR ever heard of Punctuated Equilibrium? Guess not...

Oooo, ooo, I can, I can!"

Apparently you can't.

"Since there is NO physical evidence to prove their premise that one species mutated into an entirely new species (transmutation) and that not enough time has elapsed for it to have happened anyway, then stuff just must have made sudden jumps and leaps from the one to the next."

Sorry, that's not PE. Not even close. Put down the Jack Chick comic book and pick up a real biology textbook before you post again. What you described is a creationist fantasy.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Read up on "Punc-Eq" for yourself. Punc-Eq was invented because of the lack of extreme fossil evidence in favor of the evolutionary model. It's still pretty embarassing, in my opinion."

No, it was theorized because of the long periods of stasis that typically characterize species *life*. The first person to mention it was Darwin. It is really just a tweaking of the Modern Synthesis, not an alternative to natural selection. Speciation is still gradual in human terms, we are still talking 10's of thousands of years. What is embarrassing is how often creationists distort what PE is.

[js1138]

Creationists are never embarrassed when caught lying. They do the work of the lord of lies.

[bondserv]

Creationists are never embarrassed when caught lying. They do the work of the lord of lies.

Why did many of the Israelis die wandering in the desert?

[js1138]

Israelis?

[editor-surveyor]

"Science as a secular religion"

Nonsequiter. There is no discernable connection between science and Darwinism. Darwinism is a specialized form of Hinduism.

[MadManDan]

I guess I misinterpreted "evolutionism", as meaning the currently accepted (by most scientists) process of evolution; which would be Punc. Equil. Oh well...

[MadManDan]

Ok, and Creationisms theory on the gaps is more valid than Punc. Equil.? Darwinian Gradualism is an ongoing process even within Punc. Equil. too. There certainly was enough time for these things to happen; but I guess when you believe the world is 6000 years old... The Catholics call it the mystery of faith, and I absolutely believe in God, which is faith. It can never be proven to me or anyone until we die; (unless the end times come in our lifetimes) but science can be all but proven, even if some people refuse to see the truth. My faith is so strong, that I have absolutely no problem reconciling my belief in God with the process by which He created everything, which would be some form of evolution. The process is not completely understood now, and may never be, but much of it is. At least we can all agree that liberals suck... :)

[MadManDan]

Because the Palestinians shot an RPG at them??? I don't think I quite follow what you mean here...

[MadManDan]

Yeah, Wikipedia is the paragon of excellence in knowledge! /sarcasm/