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To: ThirstyMan

>All attempts to create an origin of life experiment start with an intelligent carefully controlled environment............and have failed.

The initial origin of life is not really a component of evolutionary biology, its more in the realm of bio-chemistry.

I'm not sure there have been any serious experiments attempting to replicate the origin of life on earth in any of the ways it has been believed to have happened. Many experiments have tested components of it. The reason for not replicating the whole shebang is pretty simple - you'd need a lab the size of the earth in which you recreated the primordial atmosphere. If you could do this, I suspect you'd get your replication in a fairly "short" time, like maybe a hundred million years.


85 posted on 10/25/2005 8:13:51 AM PDT by chrisg2001
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To: chrisg2001
"The initial origin of life is not really a component of evolutionary biology, its more in the realm of bio-chemistry."

Which is what I also have been taught, which is why I am confused when folks use Darwin in the same sentence with an origin of life idea.

"I'm not sure there have been any serious experiments attempting to replicate the origin of life on earth in any of the ways it has been believed to have happened. Many experiments have tested components of it. The reason for not replicating the whole shebang is pretty simple - you'd need a lab the size of the earth in which you recreated the primordial atmosphere. If you could do this, I suspect you'd get your replication in a fairly "short" time, like maybe a hundred million years."

Ah, the special ingredient: time ..."a hundred million years." And that's supposed to do the trick? Somehow? While nobody is looking? In some isolated place? When in fact we cannot replicate such a perfect primordial ennvironment in any lab?

That is why ID says the sophistication of what has begun points to the need for more than time and chance, i.e., a designer.

Time plus a lab can't do it but a primordial environment plus time could?

It sure appears to me that in this case time is being given too big a job, one that it cannot accomplish. That's why I am sympathetic to ID as an observation from nature (not Genesis) that the problem and the solution don't match.

113 posted on 10/26/2005 5:38:52 AM PDT by ThirstyMan (hysteria: the elixir of the Left that trumps all reason)
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