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To: Right Wing Professor
First of all what is a creationist?

I do believe in a Creator. Does that make me a creationist?

Secondly, if you look at how jennyp answered my questions, she dialogued with me and lit a path for me to follow. I did not get labeled and dismissed by her as I did with you.

If this is a quest for truth, as I believe it is, then why not hold back on the labeling?

120 posted on 10/26/2005 6:39:06 AM PDT by ThirstyMan (hysteria: the elixir of the Left that trumps all reason)
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To: ThirstyMan
Secondly, if you look at how jennyp answered my questions, she dialogued with me and lit a path for me to follow. I did not get labeled and dismissed by her as I did with you.

She has reserves of patience I lack. I've read the same tired old arguments repeated again and again, and in general I know they're not made with any intent to engage in debate. In your case in particular, I haven't seen any particular tendency to open-mindedness. You treat 'materialist' as a pejorative, in the same manner you criticize in others. Couple that with gross ignorance about science (c.f. that stuff about inorganic formed into organic) , and you fit the standard model of the Ugly Creationist. Sorry.

121 posted on 10/26/2005 7:28:23 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: ThirstyMan; Right Wing Professor; js1138
Secondly, if you look at how jennyp answered my questions, she dialogued with me and lit a path for me to follow. I did not get labeled and dismissed by her as I did with you.
Thanks, but I thought RWP's response was nice & succinct, as was js1138's. :-) The internal contradiction of your "lab experiment inherently proves ID" argument is something you do have to consider.

And ironically the attempts at starting life up are a model for what you think you're disproving: intelligent design.

Lovely variant on a standard creationist canard.

Creationist: evolution has never been proven. You can't even duplicate it in a lab.

Scientist: sure I can, look, I grow this population under selective pressure, it changes, that's evolution.

Creationist: but you did it in a lab. It's a designed experiment! That's no[t] evolution, it's ID!


126 posted on 10/26/2005 11:46:16 AM PDT by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: Art of Unix Programming by Raymond)
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To: ThirstyMan
First of all what is a creationist? I do believe in a Creator. Does that make me a creationist?

From just what you said, you could be a theistic evolutionist like probably half the evo posters, but of course you aren't. What makes a creationist? Argument from religious horror. Religious horror tells one that the more of science we refute and discard, the better. Religious horror says 150 years of evidence equals "no evidence." Religious horror says that what we prefer to believe trumps fact.

130 posted on 10/26/2005 12:25:38 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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