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'Intelligent design' supporters gather (700 Scientists agree ID is "step beyond Darwin")
Seattle PI ^ | 24 Oct 2005 | ONDREJ HEJMA (AP)

Posted on 10/24/2005 5:27:52 PM PDT by gobucks

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To: ThirstyMan

Please can you post a link to the _positive_ evidence that we can see that points to a higher intelligence designing what we can see.


21 posted on 10/24/2005 6:16:29 PM PDT by chrisg2001
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To: gobucks
scholars boycotted the event insisting it had no scientific credence

There is a lot of scholarship that isn't science. Sociologists and psychologists might find it interesting to attend and see what is going on.

22 posted on 10/24/2005 6:16:30 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: jonathanmo
...a few public school districts in the United States are already considering incorporating theological pseudoscience into their educational curricula.

The present bias toward self creation in the science community is unfounded arrogance. They ask of science questions that it is not capable of answering. Science cannot explain or answer any and all dimensions of a question.

The origin of life is a question that involves more than hard science to answer.

Using the phrase "theological pseudoscience" to demean those searching for answers to the shortcomings of Darwin's basic change over time ideas, is simply wrong.

ID attempts to involve as possible answers, aspects of mystery which posit that intelligence gives birth to intelligence.
Is that so odd?

Otherwise....you believe in spontaneous generation.

23 posted on 10/24/2005 6:20:06 PM PDT by ThirstyMan (hysteria: the elixir of the Left that trumps all reason)
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To: chrisg2001

Show me one example of an intelligent being that isn't born from another intelligent being.


24 posted on 10/24/2005 6:21:17 PM PDT by ThirstyMan (hysteria: the elixir of the Left that trumps all reason)
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""It is a step beyond Darwin," said Carole Thaxton of Atlanta, a biologist ..."

Right out of the gate this article seems to stumble over the truth. An internet search shows that Carole Thaxton is a developer of home school materials and is qualified as a high-school biology teacher. Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe there is a difference between a high-school biology teacher and a biologist.

Her husband is a chemist and is associated with the Discovery Institute. It's looking more like this was a religious gathering of believers sponsored by the Discovery Institute rather than a conference of legitimate scientists exploring actual science.

Here's an interesting critique of Stephen C. Meyers (the head of the Discovery Institute) review article published in the Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington. I think the following paragraph nicely sums up the fallacies perpetrated by the ID crowd:

"Meyer's paper predictably follows the same pattern that has characterized "intelligent design" since its inception as a political movement: deny the sufficiency of evolutionary processes to account for life's history and diversity, then assert that an "intelligent designer" provides a better explanation.

Although ID is discussed in the concluding section of the paper, there is no positive account of "intelligent design" presented in this paper, just as such an account has been absent from all previous work on "intelligent design". Just as a detective doesn't have a case against someone without motive, means, and opportunity, ID doesn't stand a scientific chance without some kind of model of what happened and why. Only a reasonably detailed model provides empirical expectations that can be tested. ID did something, somewhere, somehow, for no apparent reason" is not a model."

25 posted on 10/24/2005 6:37:30 PM PDT by Honcho Bongs
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To: shuckmaster

What do you call janitor at Darwin Central?


26 posted on 10/24/2005 6:39:51 PM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: Honcho Bongs

You trying to rain on their parade?


27 posted on 10/24/2005 6:42:01 PM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

As strange as it may seem to you, there is a big difference between a biblical creationist and a scientist who understands Intelligent Design.


28 posted on 10/24/2005 6:52:21 PM PDT by ThirstyMan (hysteria: the elixir of the Left that trumps all reason)
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To: ThirstyMan

I am a scientist that understands Intelligent Design and there certainly is a big difference between me and a biblical creationist. But, what did you say the difference was?


29 posted on 10/24/2005 6:56:29 PM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: furball4paws

Farmer in the Dale?


30 posted on 10/24/2005 6:56:59 PM PDT by banalblues (Thank God A Real American Won!)
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To: ThirstyMan
there is a big difference between a biblical creationist and a scientist who understands Intelligent Design.

A scientist who understands intelligent design knows it's a charlatan pseudo science that dishonest biblical creationist use to try to sneak religion into schools.

31 posted on 10/24/2005 7:03:47 PM PDT by shuckmaster (Bring back SeaLion and ModernMan!)
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To: shuckmaster

Aw now, you stold his thunder.


32 posted on 10/24/2005 7:05:33 PM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: furball4paws
I didn't say.

The difference is the starting point.

The biblical creationist starts with the Genesis account.
The Intelligent Design scientist starts with an observation from nature.

33 posted on 10/24/2005 7:05:56 PM PDT by ThirstyMan (hysteria: the elixir of the Left that trumps all reason)
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To: banalblues

Why not Jack and the Beanstalk?


34 posted on 10/24/2005 7:06:40 PM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: ThirstyMan

What does an Intelligent Design scientist do with his observation?


35 posted on 10/24/2005 7:08:24 PM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: furball4paws

Farmer in the Dale just seems to fit.


36 posted on 10/24/2005 7:11:15 PM PDT by banalblues (Thank God A Real American Won!)
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To: banalblues; b_sharp

OK

B_SHARP, I guess you are now officially the Farmer in the Dale. Whether that's a promotion or not is up to you.


37 posted on 10/24/2005 7:13:35 PM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: furball4paws
Aw now, you stold his thunder.

I try.

38 posted on 10/24/2005 7:21:13 PM PDT by shuckmaster (Bring back SeaLion and ModernMan!)
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To: furball4paws
What does an Intelligent Design scientist do with his observation?

Since his observation is a conclusion, he uses it to prove his premise.

39 posted on 10/24/2005 7:24:03 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: ThirstyMan

>Show me one example of an intelligent being that isn't born from another intelligent being.

Is that your answer to my request for you to post a link to the "evidence" you allude to below? Forgive me if I'm underwhelmed.
If you want an example of a being born from a being less intelligent than they are, it happens at least 1/2 the time on average, for some definition of "intelligent". Or is there actually some meaningful pont you are trying to make?



"What they say is the evidence points to a higher intelligence having designed what we see"


40 posted on 10/24/2005 7:28:27 PM PDT by chrisg2001
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