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Couple Accused Of Caging Kids Take Media On Tour
AP ^ | 10/24/2005 | unknown

Posted on 10/24/2005 12:00:58 PM PDT by kpp_kpp

Dad Claims He Was Trying To Help

CLEVELAND -- The father suspected of keeping some of 11 special-needs adopted children in cages says he and his wife were trying to help children that nobody else wanted.

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"We took kids that nobody else wanted," said Gravelle. He and his wife, Sharen, have not been charged, but their children were removed from their home six weeks ago and were placed in foster homes.

The Gravelles, who are white, adopted black youngsters with ailments such as autism, fetal alcohol syndrome, HIV and pica, an eating disorder in which children compulsively eat nonfood items such as dirt and rocks.

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The Gravelles pointed out holes the children had kicked in the walls and gouges in the drywall from their fingernails. Urine stains were visible on the baseboards, and the walls still show marks where the children had smeared their feces.

"We live with this smell," Sharen Gravelle said. "We love these children."

Michael Gravelle said he could no longer remain quiet while people label his wife as the "world's most evil mother." Huron County Prosecutor Russ Leffler said Friday that the couple was adopting children for a financial windfall.

"You could not pay me enough to do the things we had to do," Michael Gravelle said. "There is nothing easy about raising these children. We did not abuse them. That's the truth."

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The "enclosures" measure 6 feet in length. The doors could be opened easily and had no locks on them, but a battery-powered alarm would be activated when the doors were opened.

Michael said the children's private social worker, Elaine Thompson of Elyria, counseled the kids in a room next to the bedrooms.

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(Excerpt) Read more at nbc4i.com ...


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Another 'gov must know better' case. Any thoughts? What is a "private social worker"?

Not only did they get the foster kids taken away, they lost their own biological kids too -- I don't know that I'd be willing to take that risk.

1 posted on 10/24/2005 12:00:59 PM PDT by kpp_kpp
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sorry, if you can't control the kids without keeping them in cages, then you shouldn't be taking care of 11 of them.


2 posted on 10/24/2005 12:03:54 PM PDT by flashbunny (What is more important: Loyalty to principles, or loyalty to personalities?)
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Those aren't really cages --- no locks.

As stated before, look like poor-man's crib tents, to me.

I don't have much first-hand experience dealing with autistic kids, but some pretty restrictive measures are in order for some of the serious cases, simply to prevent them from harming themselves.


4 posted on 10/24/2005 12:08:34 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: flashbunny

sorry, if you can't control the kids without keeping them in cages, then you shouldn't be taking care of 11 of them.

You sound just like that know it all judge I had.  If I can't keep them in cages, then YOU tell me how to keep them off the sofa.

Owl_Eagle

(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,
it was probably sarcasm)

5 posted on 10/24/2005 12:10:13 PM PDT by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Motherbear

I don't know much about this case either but if these kids were so hard to handle perhaps they should have adopted 2 or 3 of them instead of 8 or 9. Sounds like these parents were in way over their heads and had to resort to tactics that may be criminal.


6 posted on 10/24/2005 12:11:21 PM PDT by Cathy
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I'm sure this couple is sincere in their love for these 11 children

The road to hell is paved with sincerity.

7 posted on 10/24/2005 12:11:36 PM PDT by Popman (In politics, ideas are more important than individuals.)
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To: Owl_Eagle

shock collars?


8 posted on 10/24/2005 12:12:31 PM PDT by flashbunny (What is more important: Loyalty to principles, or loyalty to personalities?)
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still- 11 kids?

I'm sorry, either they're incredibly naive or greedy. At what point do you stop and say "gee, we can't control the 3 adopted kids we already have - let's get 8 more!"????

It's just plain idiocy. There's no real excuse for it.


9 posted on 10/24/2005 12:14:19 PM PDT by flashbunny (What is more important: Loyalty to principles, or loyalty to personalities?)
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To: flashbunny

I wouldn't call it idiocy. I don't think I could do it, but these children apparently are extremely difficult. I agree with others here who suggest maybe taking on fewer children and dealing with them differently. But I also guess that these children probably had better lives than they would have in an institution and these parents knew it and felt that burden to help. Until I know more and am willing to walk in their shoes, I think I would hesitate to speak of them so harshly.


12 posted on 10/24/2005 12:18:51 PM PDT by twigs
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sorry, if you can't control the kids without keeping them in cages, then you shouldn't be taking care of 11 of them.

That's the bottom line. Special-needs children require a lot of time and attention. I don't believe any couple, no matter how well-intended (which I'm not sure these two are), can give so many special-needs children adequate care.

13 posted on 10/24/2005 12:19:47 PM PDT by American Quilter
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>>sorry, if you can't control the kids without keeping them
in cages, then you shouldn't be taking care of 11 of them.

>>>>That's the bottom line.

I disagree. Even if they had one kid they would have to rig an alarm system so they could sleep at night. Calling them "cages" is kind of inflammatory, which is why so many jump to criticize them. They are basically cribs with a safety alarm to wake up the parents at night, no locks.

There is no evidence they had to many kids to handle. Since the cribs/alarms would be necessary for even one of these children, the existence cribs and alarms is not evidence of too many kids.
14 posted on 10/24/2005 12:32:15 PM PDT by On the Road to Serfdom
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To: On the Road to Serfdom

I agree with you. The measures they took to control the kids' behavior do not appear to be related to the number of kids for whom they were caring.


15 posted on 10/24/2005 12:39:55 PM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: Motherbear
I have friends whose chilren have alarms on their doors...

You have strange friends. I don't know anyone like that.
16 posted on 10/24/2005 12:41:09 PM PDT by CAWats (I don't have any confidence in my ability to fail - Kenneth Copeland)
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To: On the Road to Serfdom

They are not cages, and the word 'cages' are inflamitory???

OK... Why would you keep 11 kids in Morgue Drawers?



17 posted on 10/24/2005 12:45:04 PM PDT by spookadelic
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To: kpp_kpp
I am one of 13 kids from a big Irish family, and my father built a big "cage" in our backyard for the younger kids to play in, while my mother, God bless her, washed tons of laundry including dirty diapers, hanging them out on a clothes line. No dryer at that point. Anyway, putting us in the "cage" saved my mother's sanity, and kept us safe. Well, except for the stories about me (the bad one) conking one of my brothers over the head with his tonka trucks. He's all good now though, and we all survived.
20 posted on 10/24/2005 1:26:12 PM PDT by ladiesview61
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