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To: sinkspur
Don't you effing dare to take down the Great Man in defending Bush. Don't you effing dare, you sick twisted bastard.

You mean like never cowing to terrorists? Reagan cut and ran when Marines were killed in Lebanon?

He also pounded Libya into submission. Try again.

You mean like actually cutting government? Government grew more under Reagan than at any time since FDR.

Garbage. Read and weep.

You mean in actually like DOING SOMETHING about abortion? Reagan never signed one piece of abortion legislation; Bush signed PBA ban.

Bush ever try to change the culture by saying something like this? Reagan tried to put in Supreme Court Justices to overturn Roe versus Wade; don't forget also he had the handicap of a Democrat Congress.

You mean like in appointing strict constructionists to the Supreme Court? Reagan appointed O'Connor and Kennedy.

They lied to him. Next?

Yeah. Bush is no Reagan. He's much more principled than Reagan was.

Bullshit. Absolute, total unmitigated bullshit. Reagan had loads of principles - including, "In our present crisis, government is not the solution to our problems, government is the problem". He managed to cut taxes and roll back the role of the state to do so. He said the USSR was the Evil Empire and beat them into the ground. Compare and contrast this to President Bush who hasn't vetoed a single spending bill, and keeps on calling Islam a "religion of peace."

You sycophants have degenerated into sheer mindless bastardy by daring to tear down Reagan to build your boy up.

Ivan

40 posted on 10/24/2005 7:59:58 AM PDT by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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To: MadIvan
He also pounded Libya into submission.

Yeah. He bombed Khadafi's compound and killed his daughter in 1986.

Khadafi then funded two terrorists to blow up Pan Am 103 over Scotland in 1988.

He really pounded Khadafi, didn't he?

He managed to cut taxes and roll back the role of the state to do so.

Reagan raised taxes in 1984. RAISED TAXES! Then he restructured the tax code in 1986, eliminating the shelters that helped fuel the savings and loan scandal in the Bush I administration.

Ivan, you need to brush up on your history.

And, calling me a "sick twisted bastard" in the first sentence sets the stage for a rant, not a discussion.

44 posted on 10/24/2005 8:06:51 AM PDT by sinkspur (If you're not willing to give Harriett Miers a hearing, I don't give a damn what you think.)
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To: MadIvan
He also pounded Libya into submission. Try again.

Hardly. I wouldn't call the Lockerbie bombing being put "into submission". Reagan sent American bombers against Libya after evidence came out that Libya was involved in an attack on American soldiers in a West Berlin nightclub. I won't fault him for that, that called retaliating against your sworn enemy. Hardly what I would call "pounding Libya into submission" in light of the fact of the Lockerbie bombing, and in light of the fact he's still in charge after all these years.

and keeps on calling Islam a "religion of peace."

Where the hell were you a three weeks ago, when President Bush uttered the famous words in a WOT speech, that are usually uttered here by FReepers to describe militant Islam as "Islamofascism"? A bold pronouncement, in light of the fact that President's are stereotypically known to usually try to be "above the fray" and diplomatic in their statements. A bold statement in a most bold speech on it's own, even if it got ignored or overlooked by those like you.

You just can't willingly face up to the fact that Reagan was no God, Reagan is no Bush, Bush is no Reagan.

I'm not crazy about Bush on many fronts, yet at the same time, I'm not going to ignore the fact that Reagan, as great as he was to this nation and free people everywhere, had his faults. In fact, you won't find anywhere in Reagan's legacy where he balanced a budget, reduced government spending, cut taxes across the board, or shrunk the size of government.

109 posted on 10/24/2005 1:27:36 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Tucker Carlson could reveal himself as a castrated, lesbian, rodeo clown ...wouldn't surprise me")
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To: MadIvan
They lied to him. Next?

No, Reagan was not lied to when he appointed O'Connor and Kennedy to the bench. They were perfectly good candidates at the time, that slowly drifted leftward over time.

111 posted on 10/24/2005 1:36:30 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Tucker Carlson could reveal himself as a castrated, lesbian, rodeo clown ...wouldn't surprise me")
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