Posted on 10/23/2005 10:36:47 AM PDT by Crackingham
"We have the same problem in the ELCA. Nobody wants to be accused of being judgmental. Most see the danger but do nothing, "hoping things will get better".
"Well, I have a 13-year old son and I am not going to do that. I made a stand and made a move, to the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod, where the "progressives" feel oppressed."
"It's a good thing!"
It is a good thing, and I hope that we have a split in the E church. Let the newcomers, who have probably done nothing of real value leave and go to the rental halls and shopping centers. Leave the Judgemental Conservatives alone in our churches we have built and maintained over the decades.
A lot of people like me, who have stopped going to the mens's groups and bible study groups will return to those groups. It gets very old hearing the lefties run down our president, own country and our political party. Then, we try to defend what we believe, we are screamed at and called judgemental.
In a lot of E churches, a hard left core group of screamers and left agenda pushers in the past decade have seemed to take over the Saturday Morning Men's groups, many of the women's groups and lot of the so called bible study groups.
Did you know that where ever you find four you'll also find a fifth.
I'm sure that there are a lot gay bishops and priests who voted for the gay bishop.
Like you say this group works 24/7 to weaken the good churches and to seize control when we weaken or wear down.
Also, much of the problem are the liberals in our churches getting control by screaming and whining the loudest and longest over the past decade or two. See my reply above how groups are controlled by the liberals. Most of the ones I have seen screaming at the conservatives are not gay, but they will push the gay agenda as hard as the gays do.
Most of the ones I have seen screaming at the conservatives are not gay, but they will push the gay agenda as hard as the gays do.
I saw way to much of that in the Catholic Church myself. One example was when I was called into the Religious education director's office when I was an teaching 6&7 graders. She asked me why I wasn't following the weekly printouts given us for instructing the children and I explained I was, but the children and I decided at the beginning of the school year to have a Q&A during the last have of weekly session each week. I felt that was good and necessary to help them know how to apply Gods teaching to obstacles they faced daily.
The director said "Well other teachers have heard discussions in your group about abortion, pre-martial sex, and homosexuality", I said yes, these are some of the question we discussed because the kids felt free enough to ask me about them.
I continued by mentioning that the children are effected by these obstacles daily and knowing the sins they commit and consequences they can produce is helpful to the children in making the right decision to avoid them.
The director then told me "We leave issues such as those to the parents and the schools and as far as HOMOSEXAL ISSUES THE CHURCH DOES NOT HAVE A STAND ON THAT".
That was the straw that broke the camels back, I left the Catholic Church because it no longer was the church I had Loved and worshiped in all my life.
This could be my story line for line, with a few exceptions: it's in the midwest and I'm not; I'm not that old; and when I confronted my pastor about being gay he denied it; yet he was one of a group who so disrupted the 2000 Baltimore-Washington Annual Conference with their emotional declarations of gayness and lesbianity that police had to be called.
My executor looked at my recently-written instructions with bemusement: no pastor at my funeral, and hold it in the auditorium of the nearby school. I do hope to settle on another church before it's time, but until then, those are standing orders.
My Mother in Law prepaid the funeral parlor for the use of their big room for her funeral two years before her death. The only people who could speak at her funeral as per her request was the Baptist Minister, her sons and my wife. They opted for me to say a few things about her.
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In Newport Beach, CA 2 or 3 years ago, the members of one of the Episcopal churches and their pastor withdrew from the US church and affiliated themselves with a diocese in Africa because they were fed up with the gay issue. As I recall, two other churches in the Los Angeles ares did the same thing at the same time.
The bishop of the Los Angeles diocese filed suit against the church claiming that all of the church's assets were the property of the diocese and not the parish. Well, the church, and its members, claimed that title to the property resided with the church. It went to court, and the bishop LOST. I believe he lost in all three cases.
So, you can fight these US bishops and win, at least some of the time. Everything seems to be the same at the Newport Beach church except it now reports to an African diocese. Some members left but the overwhelming majority were in favor.
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