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To: FairOpinion
Can you imagine, if a US law is passed that almost anything can count as violation of the "rights" of the terrorists?

How do you get from ``cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment'' means the cruel, unusual, and inhumane treatment or punishment prohibited by the Fifth, Eighth, and Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, as defined in the United States Reservations, Declarations and Understandings to the United Nations Convention Against Torture and Other Forms of Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment done at New York, December 10, 1984" to "almost anything"?

Did you actually read the bill?

Yes, I see you have posted it but I am not sure you have read it.

18 posted on 10/23/2005 1:06:11 AM PDT by Ethan_Allen1777
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To: Ethan_Allen1777

"degrading treatment "

"degrading is what the "prisoners" perceive as "degrading".

I just posted the bill.

Don't you notice that it gives the captured terrorists US Constitutional protection?


19 posted on 10/23/2005 1:08:27 AM PDT by FairOpinion (CA Props: Vote for Reform: YES on 73-78, NO on 79 & 80, NO on Y)
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To: Ethan_Allen1777

Now you should read the UN document:


Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment


http://www.ohchr.org/english/law/cat.htm

Some excerpts:

" For the purposes of this Convention, the term "torture" means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions. "

NOTE that even "intimidation" is considered "torture" and they define it as "physical or MENTAL" -- they can claim that being locked up if mental torture.


22 posted on 10/23/2005 1:20:31 AM PDT by FairOpinion (CA Props: Vote for Reform: YES on 73-78, NO on 79 & 80, NO on Y)
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