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A few years ago, Byron Boyd, president of the United Transportation Union, proposed a summit of Class I railroads to discuss how to take back the passenger trains from Amtrak. (Mr. Boyd’s sentencing to a Club Fed effectively finished his work in this area.) A suggestion from another source, also published in Railway Age a year later, suggested that the Class I’s use the Amtrak stock that they own to set up a consortium that would remove Amtrak from government ownership.

There has been little progress in this area, and the bills introduced in Congress, such as Lott-Lautenberg, don’t go nearly far enough in terms of innovation. Everybody in Congress appears to be thinking inside his own little box.

A month ago I attended a conference on private sector initiatives for Amtrak’s long distance trains at the Sam Rayburn House Building in DC where I made a presentation for a privatization experiment on one train. While my presentation went over like lead balloon, I learned enough from the other presenters to fix up the concept to give it greater viability.

The UTU is certainly trying to preserve the jobs of its members, but it’s unusual to see creative thinking coming from a union. They understand that it’s five minutes before midnight for Amtrak.

1 posted on 10/22/2005 5:00:59 PM PDT by Publius
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To: Willie Green

Ping.


2 posted on 10/22/2005 5:01:21 PM PDT by Publius
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To: Publius

That's basically what's happening. The UAW offered concessions to GM; once GM was about 1 quarter from bankruptcy.

The UTU is at least smart enough to understand that they can't be paid if there is no demand for their service.


3 posted on 10/22/2005 5:04:25 PM PDT by .cnI redruM (Because change is not something you talk into existence.)
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I would love to see the passenger/commuter train come back to rural Missouri. Our rural parts have suffered greatly since people have to commute to gainful employment to pay their taxes and mortgages in order to raise their kids in decent areas.

If they would just come up with a fuel-efficient engine and maybe municipalities each buy a passenger car. Keep the costs down to regular riders and keep our own auto insurance down.


4 posted on 10/22/2005 5:07:01 PM PDT by Mrs. Shawnlaw (Rock beats scissors. Don't run with rocks. NRA)
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I thought that Amtrak would never have been necessary if the freight railroads wanted anything to do with passengers anymore, and feel that passenger trains on their lines just get in the way of their freights. Am I wrong here? Let me know...


6 posted on 10/22/2005 5:13:44 PM PDT by PCBMan (The deuce you say!....BB)
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A resulting sound business model would encourage conservatives to support predictable, stable, and reliable subsidies.

Why would a sound business model need subsidies?

9 posted on 10/22/2005 5:27:59 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult
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I'm as big a railfan as anybody. There is no better way to travel than a good train. Or, by the same token, no worse way to travel than a bad one.

Nonetheless, I've got to ask: Aside from the NE corridor, what market is there for long-haul passenger service?

Why is there any need at all to keep Amtrak operating, in any form?

10 posted on 10/22/2005 5:31:06 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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Why anyone in their right mind would want to buy Amtrak?

"Amtrak represents just .007 percent of all daily commuter work trips and just 0.4 percent of all passengers making intercity trips.
Amtrak's typical riders are not low-income Americans. Only 13 percent have incomes below $20,000.
Amtrak has virtually no impact on reducing traffic congestion, pollution, or energy use. Even a doubling of train ridership would reduce energy consumption and traffic congestion by less than 0.1 percent.
Amtrak is by far the most highly subsidized form of intercity transportation. The average taxpayer subsidy per Amtrak rider is $100, or 40 percent of the total per-passenger cost. On some of the long-distance routes, such as New York to Los Angeles, the taxpayer subsidy per passenger exceeds $1,000. It would be cheaper for taxpayers to close down expensive lines and purchase discount round-trip airfare for all the Amtrak riders."
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-266.html


18 posted on 10/22/2005 5:48:38 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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People want to ride trains? Fine. They should open up their pocketbooks, pay a reasonable fare, and get there. But they don't want to pay what it costs, the unions want to get paid more than they're worth, and the government and the train companies want me to pay the difference.

No. Dump Amtrak, dump subsidies, and let the market determine if there should even be rail service. Stay out of my pocketbook!
19 posted on 10/22/2005 5:52:36 PM PDT by kingu (Draft Fmr Senator Fred Thompson for '08.)
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Taking the train has all the speed and comfort of taking the bus with the expense of taking a plane.


42 posted on 10/22/2005 9:12:03 PM PDT by Ethan_Allen1777
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I would like to see passenger train service come back to the private sector. I can remember a couple of trips when I was a kid and it was great fun. I tried it about 12 years ago for nostalgia's sake on Amtrack. What a difference. Everybody was rude. The trip was to be endured, not enjoyed. In the old days, one could actually dine in the dining car, not so with Amtrack. To this day, I can still remember the fine aroma from the dining cars from years gone by


46 posted on 10/22/2005 10:30:12 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Diversity is divisive. E. Pluribus Unum (Out of many, one))
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It is time to “TTX” Amtrak – to sell Amtrak back to the freight railroads much as TTX is owned by the major carriers using its pooled freight cars.

As far as I'm concerned, this is a red-herring proposal that's intended to kill passenger rail altogether. Oh, there may be some routes that survive (such as the commuter service for NYC and the NE corridor). But in general, the freight carriers have absolutely no interest in developing passenger service.

Heck, they don't even have any interest in maintaining/developing domestic FREIGHT service. They're too busy abandoning thousands of miles of local rail, focusing strictly on transnational "intermodal" freight on the main lines. And that is incompatible with passenger service: too many freight trains traveling too slow to offer competitive high-speed passenger service.

I am not opposed to privatization of Amtrak to provide better operating efficiencies. But I would prefer a model that more resembles our Interstate Highway system, or our airport/air traffic control system. Let government own/maintain the rail infrastructure. Let private enterprise own/operate the vehicles that travel on it.

53 posted on 10/23/2005 8:15:33 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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The Bush administration proposes dismantling Amtrak and permitting forced access to freight rail tracks by perhaps a dozen “who-knows-whom” entities. This is neither an efficient nor safe solution to the reality that rail passenger service is here to stay. Instead, let's integrate rail freight and passenger service by transferring ownership and control back to the freight railroads.

Yep... just as I said...
The freight lines want to push passengers off the rails altogether.
Pi$$ on 'em.

54 posted on 10/23/2005 8:28:55 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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