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Miller-N.Y. Times Spat Goes Public
AP ^ | 22 October 2005 | Pete Yost

Posted on 10/22/2005 1:58:58 PM PDT by YaYa123

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To: okie01
My head hurts...

Mine does too. I've really given up trying to predict where all this is going and will just wait for events to unfold over the next week. But I will state that something much bigger is going down under the surface and we are just seeing a few superficial manefestations of that reality.

41 posted on 10/22/2005 5:24:00 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: cardinal4

cardinal4 wrote: any truth to the rumor that one of Wilson's other wives was a French agent?

Yes, absolutely. His second wife from 1986 to 1998, Jacqueline, had served the French embassy in Burundi as a “cultural counselor" (a function often used as a cover by French intelligence). In addition, I'll bet not many people know that uranium miningin Niger is controlled by a French state-owned mining company, COGEMA.

This was posted by Freeper Fedora. Its a long read but its simply awesome.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1256475/posts


42 posted on 10/22/2005 5:31:01 PM PDT by UglyinLA
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To: UglyinLA
In addition, I'll bet not many people know that uranium miningin Niger is controlled by a French state-owned mining company, COGEMA.

I hope ol Fitz knows. This whole thing has become a circus..

43 posted on 10/22/2005 5:34:26 PM PDT by cardinal4
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To: dirtboy
But I will state that something much bigger is going down under the surface...

I certainly hope you are correct. All the people involved in this plot -- domestic and foreign, overt and covert -- need to go down...HARD!

44 posted on 10/22/2005 5:35:28 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01
certainly hope you are correct. All the people involved in this plot -- domestic and foreign, overt and covert -- need to go down...HARD!

Unfortunately, I don't think that's going to happen here. There are public sacrifices that happen to the losers. And the winners get to stay in the shadows.

IMO we are seeing a cataclysmic power struggle below the surface here. And only the politically dead will bob to the surface where we can see them.

45 posted on 10/22/2005 5:38:25 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: YaYa123

They are attempting to put Miller in the President's camp. Watch out.


46 posted on 10/22/2005 5:40:50 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: dirtboy

Agreed. The agency has a built-in advantage: they can leak from the sidelines.

Who'd a thunk we'd ever see the Rats rooting for the CIA and its culture of secrecy?

And, if the Rats and the MediaCrats get their wish, the agency will have a stronger grip than ever on our foreign policy. Who's gonna challenge them if indictments come out of this?


47 posted on 10/22/2005 5:48:45 PM PDT by Timeout
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To: dirtboy
Let me put it this way: I'm anxious to see some bodies bob to the surface.

One in particular...

By the same token, some identifiable bodies bobbing to the surface would also suggest there has been a massive fishkill in certain polluted pools...

48 posted on 10/22/2005 5:58:36 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01
Let me put it this way: I'm anxious to see some bodies bob to the surface. One in particular... By the same token, some identifiable bodies bobbing to the surface would also suggest there has been a massive fishkill in certain polluted pools...

The problem is, IMO, no one wants to take the necessary steps to get the snakeheads out of that thar pond.

Oops, someone's at the door, I think it's the metaphor police...

49 posted on 10/22/2005 6:01:59 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: YaYa123
Gee, I wonder if the Times doesn't like the company she keeps

"Saddam Hussein and the Crisis in the Gulf by Laurie Mylroie, Judith Miller "

I also seem to remember that she co-authored a book that was rather supportive of Ken Starr but I could be wrong about that (I have it but can't lay my hands on it).

50 posted on 10/22/2005 6:21:09 PM PDT by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: cardinal4
You would think CIA vetting processes would include questioning someone of their own who is/was married to someone who was married to a foreign agent..

One has to wonder about an agency that hires someone like Plame.

51 posted on 10/22/2005 7:19:37 PM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: CaptRon

"Saddam Hussein and the Crisis in the Gulf by Laurie Mylroie, Judith Miller "

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52 posted on 10/22/2005 7:57:24 PM PDT by ptrey ((I BELIEVE CONGRESSMAN WELDON!))
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To: USS Alaska
How about if the source was slimey joe wilson, hisself?

Very plausible..actually likely!

53 posted on 10/22/2005 8:33:03 PM PDT by evad ( PC KILLS-)
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To: YaYa123
Liberals are suddenly mighty upset with Wilson. She used to be a hero. She used to be a victim, someone who upheld the First Amendment against the Bush cabal.

No more. And the liberals are piling on. They're worried about something.

My gut feeling is that they're worried that what will become known is that Plame and others in the CIA put together an illegal operation to discredit Bush - with the help of the New York Times.

54 posted on 10/22/2005 8:49:25 PM PDT by Reactionary
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To: evad

Miller wrote a book about the CIA. My bet is that her source is the Agency. It hates this administration.


55 posted on 10/22/2005 8:53:25 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Timeout
I keep going back and re-reading it, but can't make any sense of it. Am I reading too much into it? Or is there some "there" there?

I agree with you, I can't really put it all together any more than I could put Miller's article all together. He says he didn't know Miller was at the receiving end of a whisper campaign...so he thinks she went to jail only over the issue of the other sources that Fitzgerald gave her a pass on? And are these other sources related to the Islamic charity that was tipped off or some other trouble the NYTs finds itself in?

Initially I thought that the NYTs was trying to regain the credibility they believe they lost in their WMD reporting. But I'm not so sure it's just that. If we were watching a court case, this would be the moment when the defense team declares their witness hostile.

56 posted on 10/22/2005 9:28:03 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: Dolphy; okie01; cardinal4; leftcoaster
The Times' public editor has a column this morning which may clear it up. One line says: "Neither Mr. Keller nor the publisher had done much digging into Ms. Miller's contacts with any of her confidential sources about Ms. Plame before the subpoena arrived on Aug. 12, 2004".

That's about a year after the initial meetings between Miller and Libby, so I guess that subpoena is how Keller "learned from the special counsel".

But, now it seems to me that Keller is more on the hook than ever. He said: "I wish that when I learned Judy Miller had been subpoenaed as a witness in the leak investigation, I had sat her down for a thorough debriefing, and followed up with some reporting of my own...If I had known the details of Judy's engagement with Libby, I'd have been more careful in how the paper articulated its defense."

OK, if that's his explanation NOW, just what was he supposedly defending when he stood behind Miller going to jail? He didn't ask who her source was but he stood behind the "principle" of protecting her source. It appears Keller is now defining the principle as: We'll protect our sources---depending on who it is.

57 posted on 10/23/2005 4:02:59 AM PDT by Timeout
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To: Timeout
That does make more sense. Still, I continue to wonder about Miller's other sources. Ultimately she was able to protect them in her deal with Fitzgerald but it seems the NYTs ignores that aspect. Could it be only that they are embarrassed by her far from compelling or seemingly critical testimony?
58 posted on 10/23/2005 8:37:53 AM PDT by Dolphy
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To: Timeout
It appears Keller is now defining the principle as: We'll protect our sources---depending on who it is.

Precisely.

59 posted on 10/23/2005 10:09:21 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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