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To: MNJohnnie

Well said! I know that a lot of Freepers are worried, or maybe a bit annoyed with the Pres. about this. But mostly they support him otherwise; and are willing to at least listen to what he says/check the facts about what's been done, and hold their fire! But there are the one bunch of them that will not listen, or read what is done already by the Pres. and Congress, and will fill up these threads with ugly insults and ridicule!

From what I've read, there have been attempts made by Pres., Congress, and by state authorities to control the borders. Maybe they could do more, I guess. But to say that nothing is done, they don't care(and some don't!), he wants open borders/overall, etc.. is nonsense, and not true!


14 posted on 10/22/2005 9:53:33 AM PDT by dsutah
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To: dsutah
fence costs
15 posted on 10/22/2005 9:55:33 AM PDT by Paladin2 (MSM rioted over Katrina and looted the truth)
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To: dsutah

I'm afraid I left out something in last sentance. This was "open borders/overall amnesty". Er, excuse me!(red-faced now)


17 posted on 10/22/2005 10:06:07 AM PDT by dsutah
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and will fill up these threads with ugly insults and ridicule!

That kind of thing hasn't happened in awhile. Yes, there are those of us who are not pleased with the Administration's lack of apparent response to this issue. There are even those of us who criticize President Bush for appearing to be a buddy of President Fox and a One World Order kind of guy.

But we also have the integrity to acknowledge and praise our President when he does the right thing, as this legislation and this radio address appear to be.

19 posted on 10/22/2005 10:17:39 AM PDT by HiJinx (~ A saved heart is one that wants to serve ~)
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To: dsutah; MNJohnnie

Good posts, both of you.

There were several problems the President had to solve:

1. Mexico is one of our two IMMEDIATE neighbors, and we can't risk all-out war with a country so physically close to us. This bill should satisfy President Fox of Mexico, while allowing Mexicans to cross the border for jobs that need to be filled here.

2. This bill DOES fill some of those above-mentioned jobs.

3. Law-breaking employers have been a large part of the problem. Now there will be more prosecution, and heavy fines for them.

4. Non-Mexicans crossing our border will be identified, jailed and sent back. It will be easier to I.D. them if they attempt to cross again.

5. 7.5 BILLION dollars was a tough bill to get through Congress. And the President is well aware that SOME people will be yelling about government spending. But he did it in spite of the naysayers. Good for Dubya.

6. Every politician of every party knows that the Spanish-speaking vote is important to his party. The President has found a way to satisfy the legal Mexican immigrants without opening the borders to illegals from Mexico and South America.

Now, if the naysayers around here want to donate the money to build a 20-foot fence along 1,950 miles of border, then let them do it and stop complaining about the "big-spending" administration.


26 posted on 10/22/2005 10:49:46 AM PDT by kitkat (Democrat=Socialist=Communist. Hillary the RED)
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To: dsutah
"From what I've read, there have been attempts made by Pres., Congress, and by state authorities to control the borders. Maybe they could do more, I guess. But to say that nothing is done, they don't care(and some don't!), he wants open borders/overall, etc.. is nonsense, and not true!"

You need to check the facts about what's been done. Imagine that you had the authority and budget our President has when you read my rantings, and see if you could do more.

Allow me to analyze this radio broadcast for you.

>>This week I signed into law a bill that supports our ongoing efforts to defend our homeland.<<

Really? How nice because the President has held the door wide open for the illegal invasion from Day One.

>> To defend this country, we have to enforce our borders. When our borders are not secure, terrorists, drug dealers, and criminals find it easier to sneak into America. My administration has a clear strategy for dealing with this problem: We want to stop people from crossing into America illegally, and to quickly return the illegal immigrants we catch back to their home countries.

<< The administrations clear strategy for dealing with this problem includes allowing matricular consular cards to be used as identification. This is a card that is purchased from the Mexican government, the only verification that is required is cash in your hand. 88,000 US banks now accept this unverified ID as acceptable ID to open accounts. Our welfare offices will accept it when you apply for benefits. Our schools accept it when you register your illegal alien children for schools.

>>For the past four years, we've been implementing this strategy. To stop illegal immigrants from coming across our borders, we've added manpower, upgraded our technology, and taken the final steps necessary to complete a 14-mile barrier running along the San Diego border with Mexico. To enforce our immigration laws within our borders, we've hired more immigration agents, gone after criminal gangs, and targeted smugglers and coyotes who traffic in human beings. We are getting results: Since 2001, we have removed more than 4.8 million illegal immigrants from the United States, including more than 300,000 with criminal records.<<

If the administration was actually concerned with terrorists, drug dealers, and criminals they would have secured the borders by the end of September 2001. If we are fighting a war here at home then we should do it. If thousands of men and women must volunteer their time to bring this issue forth by actually going down to the border and acting as eyes and ears for the Border Patrol AT THIS LATE DATE, then you should have a solid picture about just how effective the Bush administration has been in this issue. Yes, the Border Patrol installed portable guard booths called cyclopes, but it doesn't have enough agents to man them yet!

>>Our border patrol and immigration agents are doing a fine job, but we still have a problem. Too many illegal immigrants are coming in, and we're capturing many more non-Mexican illegal immigrants than we can send home. And one of the biggest reasons we cannot send them back is that we lack space in our detention facilities to hold them until they are removed. When there's no bed available, non-Mexicans who are caught entering our country illegally are given a slip that tells them to come back for a court appearance. Most never show up. And then they disappear back into the shadows of our communities. This is called "catch-and-release," and it is unacceptable. <<

America would not need more detention facilities to hold illegal aliens if the border was secure because the illegals would not be coming across in such large numbers! He has finally admitted that the "catch-and-release program" is unacceptable to the average American citizen. Polls show 80% of Americans are fed up with this fiddling around.

>>The bill I signed includes $7.5 billion that will help us address the problem of illegal immigration in two important ways. First, it provides more than $2.3 billion for the Border Patrol so we can keep more illegal immigrants from getting into the country in the first place. These funds will help us hire a thousand new border patrol agents, improve our technology and intelligence, expand and improve Border Patrol stations, and install and improve fencing, lighting, vehicle barriers, and roads along our border areas. I appreciate the help Congress has given us for our common goal of creating more secure borders.<<

Are you ready? This $12 billion dollars is BUDGETED OUT OVER 10 YEARS! You tell me this shows his sincere concern or is he just spreading more manure?

>>Second, this bill also provides $3.7 billion for Immigration and Customs Enforcement so we can find and return the illegal immigrants who are entering our country. With these funds, we can expand the holding capacity of our detention facilities by 10 percent. This will allow us to hold more non-Mexican illegal immigrants while we process them through a program we call "expedited removal." This will make the process faster and more efficient. Putting more non-Mexican illegal immigrants through expedited removal is crucial to sending back people who have come here illegally. As Secretary Chertoff told the Senate this week, our goal is to return every single illegal entrant, with no exceptions. And this bill puts us on the path to do that.<<

Remember that this $12 billion dollars is BUDGETED OUT OVER 10 YEARS! Have you figured out yet if he has sincere concern or is he just spreading more manure?

>>As we improve and expand our efforts to secure our borders, we must also recognize that enforcement cannot work unless it's part of a comprehensive immigration reform that includes a temporary worker program. If an employer has a job that no American is willing to take, we need to find a way to fill that demand by matching willing employers with willing workers from foreign countries on a temporary and legal basis. I'll work with members of Congress to create a program that will provide for our economy's labor needs without harming American workers, and without granting amnesty, and that will relieve pressure on our borders.<<

Five uears ago the wages for framers and sheetrockers was almost double what it is today thanks to employers being able to say they can't find Americans to do the job. "Thank you Mr. President for taking care of these needy immigrants" is what these unemployed Americans are saying. (SARCASM) Instead they have borrowed against their homes, cancelled plans to send kids to college while readjusting their life to a lower income level. I'm certain you would be happy to do the same to support our President, wouldn't you?

>>A critical part of any temporary worker program is ensuring that our immigration laws are enforced at work sites. America is a country of laws; we must not allow dishonest employers to flout those laws. So we've doubled the resources for work site enforcement since 2004.<<

Did you notice there are no numbers of past enforcement? It was so minuscule even I can't recall it. It is something like four convictions. How many illegals are employed in America today? Could you do better than he has done? With your eyes closed you could!

Remember that one of Bush's goals is to "promote compassion" and get Congress and the country to "understand the broken system" that now includes an estimated 12 million undocumented immigrants, most of them from Mexico. Remember the discussions about amnesty and matching "willing workers with willing employers? Did you take note when he crumpled the Davis-Bacon law in Louisiana and cut the wage levels?

>>We have much more work ahead of us. But the Homeland Security bill I signed this week provides vital support for our efforts to deal with the problem of illegal immigration, and make all Americans safer and more secure.

Thank you for listening.<< Yes, Thank you for listening to the facts. By the way I don't have a single voter or financial supporter to please, that is why I can state the facts. Our President hasn't done diddly squat compared to the enormity of the problem. If this situation existed in Iraq we would be losing the war instead of winning it. Don't bark about how much money he has put towards fighting illegal immigration because, in total, it doesn't amount to one hours cost of the war in Iraq.

Could you have done more with your eyes closed and your back to the border, as he has done?

37 posted on 10/22/2005 11:39:40 AM PDT by B4Ranch (No expiration date on the oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic!)
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