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'God's retribution' — Is nature used to punish sinful acts?
AP ^ | October 22 2005

Posted on 10/21/2005 11:28:26 PM PDT by jmc1969

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To: Jimmy Valentine's brother
Yes, it's truly sad that people use catastrophes to say it's Gods punishment. It ends up turning more people off to religion instead of them embracing it.
61 posted on 10/22/2005 11:57:03 AM PDT by md2576 (Don't be such a Shehan Hugger!)
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To: The Cuban
Sorry Chastisement crowd. Read the Bible you self-righteous reres

I'm assuming you are agreeing with me and not saying that I am part of this self-righteous crowd. I hope!

62 posted on 10/22/2005 12:06:33 PM PDT by md2576 (Don't be such a Shehan Hugger!)
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To: DarthVader

Ridiculously narrow interpretation.


63 posted on 10/22/2005 2:19:40 PM PDT by The Cuban
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To: md2576

No I agree with you.


64 posted on 10/22/2005 2:20:10 PM PDT by The Cuban
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To: jmc1969
Moyers is a bloviator of biblical proportions.

I suspect any affliction is a chastisement for sin, an opportunity to repent and make reparations. It is rather difficult to figure out which sins are being singled out, and to claim everything bad to be a chastisement is just as consistent as claiming nothing is.

65 posted on 10/22/2005 3:01:41 PM PDT by Dumb_Ox (Be not Afraid. "Perfect love drives out fear.")
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To: The Cuban

Interpreting is what you are doing and putting the spin on it that fits your world view. When God says something he means it like when Jesus said "I am the way the truth and the life, no man comes to to the Father but by Me." Many people call that a narrow interpretation too but if you are truly a Christian you know it to be true.

It is disturbing truth to many who hold secular humanistic views and think that Buddhism, Taoism and the Hindu faith lead to God too. But Jesus said in Matthew 7:13-14 "Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few."

That passage from Genesis does not need to be interpreted it is being stated. When God was talking to Noah; He was talking about all encompassing judgement nothing more, nothing less. God says a lot with little and there is substance and power in what He says.


66 posted on 10/22/2005 4:37:30 PM PDT by DarthVader (Do something positive for your country today: Punch an America hating leftie in the mouth.)
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To: DarthVader

I don't read it as only applying to all encompassing judgment. And no, I am not a humanist, I beleive Jesus is the way, the truth and the light


67 posted on 10/22/2005 7:44:47 PM PDT by The Cuban
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"I don't read it as only applying to all encompassing judgment."

When God destroyed all flesh by the flood that is what He did. He judged all of mankind as wicked and worthy of destruction and carried His sentence out. That is all encompassing judgement of the human race at that time and it will happen again when Christ returns. There were no survivors other than Noah , his family and the animals. You are trying to add things that are not there. It is only important that we know that it happened and why it happened. Noah's example of faith and obedience to God are also very important. It is also a good lesson to Christians about the next time this happens with Christ's return.

As our Lord said in Luke17:26-35
26 As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be in the days of the Son of man. 27 They ate, they drank, they married, they were given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was in the days of Lot--they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built, 29 but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom fire and sulphur rained from heaven and destroyed them all-- 30 so will it be on the day when the Son of man is revealed. 31 On that day, let him who is on the housetop, with his goods in the house, not come down to take them away; and likewise let him who is in the field not turn back. 32 Remember Lot's wife. 33 Whoever seeks to gain his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life will preserve it. 34 I tell you, in that night there will be two in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. 35 There will be two women grinding together; one will be taken and the other left."

I am in no way implying that you are a secular humanist but merely using that as an example of how people tend to react when Scripture reveals very specific truths that are infallible and are thus viewed as having to be interpreted. People who are secular humanists do not see the Bible as the inspired Word of God and suffer from the sin of intellectual pride and self reliance which prevents them from entering the Kingdom of God and enjoying all its blessings and benefits.


68 posted on 10/22/2005 8:19:09 PM PDT by DarthVader (Do something positive for your country today: Punch an America hating leftie in the mouth.)
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To: The Cuban

If you think that God used the New Orleans flood to destroy people in such a way as to contradict what He said to Noah, then doesn't that mean that you don't believe God's promise to Noah that God wouldn't do it again, and that God's sign, the rainbow, was invalid and a lie?


69 posted on 10/27/2005 11:58:37 AM PDT by DeweyCA
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To: DeweyCA

No that's my point. This whole God did it argument is poppycock.


70 posted on 10/27/2005 7:59:09 PM PDT by The Cuban
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