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Laws will expose 80 Muslim suspects
The Australian ^ | October 22, 2005 | Cameron Stewart

Posted on 10/21/2005 6:11:49 PM PDT by Dundee

Laws will expose 80 Muslim suspects

UP to 80 Australian Muslims could immediately be placed under effective house arrest under the Government's proposed anti-terror laws.

The laws mean they could each be required to wear tracking devices, or prevented from working, or using the telephone or internet, or communicating with certain people.

For the first time, the laws will cover the estimated 80 Australians who have received or provided training with a listed terrorist organisation before 2002.

Previously, the Government has had no effective powers over these people, almost all of whom are Muslims, because laws prohibiting training with terrorist groups came into force only in July 2002 and were not retrospective.

However, under the proposed new laws, such people can be subjected to tough so-called control orders if authorities still believe they pose a security risk.

The provisions, which until now have escaped public scrutiny, are aimed at helping authorities monitor people who have trained with terror groups and are still deemed to pose a potential risk.

However, they will anger critics of the laws, who will argue they can be misused to "heavy" anyone purely on the basis that they have had past links with groups that are now illegal.

The Australian Muslim Civil Rights Advocacy Network slammed the proposed laws yesterday as "a backdoor way to limit the freedoms of people who can't be found guilty of a crime".

The laws will apply to anyone who has trained overseas with any of the 17 banned terror groups, including al-Qa'ida, Jemaah Islamiah, Lashkar-e-Taiba, Abu Sayyaf and Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

The intent of the law is that authorities leave these people alone if it is considered they no longer pose a security risk.

But if they are deemed to be a threat, the Government can impose a wide range of restrictions on their freedoms.

These include requiring that a person be fingerprinted and photographed and that they report to specific places at specific times. They may be fitted with a tracking device and banned from going to certain places or speaking with certain people or groups. They may also be banned from working or from using the internet or leaving Australia.

Authorities have long expressed frustration that they have no legal powers to more effectively monitor those Australians who trained with terrorist groups before 2002.

In March this year, the then head of ASIO, Dennis Richardson, said the great majority of people in Australia who trained with terrorist groups remained free because "amongst other reasons, the relevant laws did not come into force until July 2002".

"Probably less than 10 per cent of people in Australia who have, or have had, a substantive involvement with al-Qa'ida, JI and other like-minded groups will ever face a court of law," he said.

"In many cases, the capacity to obtain evidence sufficient to meet proper legal standards is beyond reach.

"But the community has an understandable expectation that the Government will lawfully protect it from the potential threat posed by those substantially involved with al-Qa'ida and other terrorist groups, and from those who have undertaken terrorist training. Equally, it is important that any action taken against such people - monitoring and otherwise - is within a proper legal framework."


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaedaaustralia; gwot

1 posted on 10/21/2005 6:11:49 PM PDT by Dundee
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To: Dundee
Laws will expose 80 Muslim suspects

Expose them all you will, but whatever you do, don't put panties on their heads.

2 posted on 10/21/2005 6:20:58 PM PDT by xJones
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To: xJones

"don't put panties on their heads."
LOL I think they should be made to go to a pig roast with Lyndie England.


3 posted on 10/21/2005 7:00:17 PM PDT by DogBarkTree
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To: Dundee
Laws will expose 80 Muslim suspects

Wow! And some people think the US is tough on Muslims. Austrailia has laws to expose individuals they suspect of being Muslims?

4 posted on 10/21/2005 7:17:31 PM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: Dundee; jan in Colorado; AmericanArchConservative; USF

Way to go! (But I think 80 is optimistically low.)


5 posted on 10/21/2005 7:24:45 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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To: TheDon
However, they will anger critics of the laws, who will argue they can be misused to "heavy" anyone purely on the basis that they have had past links with groups that are now illegal.

Bet Osama is extemely mad about this, unfair cricket.

6 posted on 10/21/2005 7:38:31 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: Dundee


Didn't the Aussies (and the English) condemn the US for making anti-terrorism laws?

And little by little, each of those nations are adopting our policies.


7 posted on 10/21/2005 8:08:28 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: Dundee

SOUNDS LIKE A PLAN!


8 posted on 10/21/2005 8:24:17 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: jocon307
SOUNDS LIKE A PLAN!

All other Muslims should be made to wear clown shoes. A few insults and the vermin might leave.

9 posted on 10/21/2005 9:08:04 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Tzimisce

This Aussie can't recall any such condemnation - source please?


10 posted on 10/22/2005 1:39:32 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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To: DogBarkTree; xJones; Fred Nerks; USF; Former Dodger; broadsword

Pig roast? Nertz to that!!

Bury the goat-molesting, sub-human paedophile-prophet followers up to their shoulders in solidly compacted pig excrement with soiled panties on their heads, and surrounded by visibly half-buried pig heads and backsides.

Smear their faces with genuine infidel menses, and blast American heavy metal while a circle of Jewish ultra-Orthodox Hasidim dances around them, loudly chanting the Torah! {sorry for the grotesque imagery - I know pig butts is rather shocking...}

A.A.C.

"The Final Crusade has commenced!"


11 posted on 10/22/2005 2:46:56 AM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: AmericanArchConservative

Sounds kinda sorta of like Midsummer Night's Dream with lots of extra dancing...

Happy Crusade to you. How's the weather where-ever?


12 posted on 10/22/2005 3:03:57 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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To: Fred Nerks

Titania and Oberon bid thee welcome, as well as thy humble servant, Puck.

Fairly well overcast skies, with a brisk wind stripping the remaining deciduous foliage, and scattered showers in Utrecht Centrum.

The planned trip to Poland/Slovakia fell by the wayside {change in my friend's plans, which, in turn, affected mine} so I am counting my Euros and dollars to see if I can manage a "run" to visit my daughter and her boyfriend where they are living and working in Nurenberg.

"Happy Crusade" to us all, indeed!

A.A.C.

"The Final Crusade has commenced!"


13 posted on 10/22/2005 3:18:25 AM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: AmericanArchConservative
While you are there, pop into Oberammergau where I was born and say hello to a relative - you'll have no trouble recognizing him, he has a beard and loves beer. Image hosted by Photobucket.com
14 posted on 10/22/2005 4:07:20 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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To: Dundee
UP to 80 Australian Muslims could immediately be placed under effective house arrest under the Government's proposed anti-terror laws.

Excellent !!!!

15 posted on 10/22/2005 4:09:51 AM PDT by Dustbunny (Main Stream Media -- Making 'Max Headroom' a reality.)
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To: Dundee
Shouldn't that be "retroactive" instead of "retrospective?"

Carolyn

16 posted on 10/22/2005 4:24:05 AM PDT by CDHart (The world has become a lunatic asylum and the lunatics are in charge.)
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