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To: Dimensio
"Testable" doesn't simply mean "reproducible in a lab". Testable means that observations can be made regarding predictions derived from the theory. A theory is "tested" for predictions that pan out (or don't) in nature.

If all that is required to be called a theory, is to match what is observed around us, then ID is certainly as close to a "theory" as macro evolution. These "observations" are circumstantial evidence, which can provide a foundation for a theory but don't tell the whole story.

The real trick is to create an experiment that will disprove the theory if it succeeds. If you can't construct an experiment that can disprove the "theory" it isn't a theory yet.

362 posted on 10/22/2005 8:13:22 PM PDT by DrDavid (Support Global Warming: Surf the Hebrides)
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To: DrDavid
If all that is required to be called a theory, is to match what is observed around us, then ID is certainly as close to a "theory" as macro evolution. These "observations" are circumstantial evidence, which can provide a foundation for a theory but don't tell the whole story.

The real trick is to create an experiment that will disprove the theory if it succeeds. If you can't construct an experiment that can disprove the "theory" it isn't a theory yet.

Lets define some terms and try again (from a google search):

Theory: a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of circumstances to explain a specific set of phenomena; "theories can incorporate facts and laws and tested hypotheses"; "true in fact and theory"

Hypothesis: a tentative theory about the natural world; a concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomena; "a scientific hypothesis that survives experimental testing becomes a scientific theory"; "he proposed a fresh theory of alkalis that later was accepted in chemical practices"

Belief: any cognitive content (perception) held as true

Impression: a vague idea in which some confidence is placed; "his impression of her was favorable"; "what are your feelings about the crisis?"; "it strengthened my belief in his sincerity"; "I had a feeling that she was lying"

Based on this, evolution is a theory. CS and ID are beliefs.

You might study some science methodology. You have erred in several places.

DrCoyote

363 posted on 10/22/2005 8:39:46 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: DrDavid
If all that is required to be called a theory

It's not. Among other things, a theory must also be falsifiable. If there is no hypothetical observation that would prove ID to be false, then it isn't a theory.

The real trick is to create an experiment that will disprove the theory if it succeeds. If you can't construct an experiment that can disprove the "theory" it isn't a theory yet.

Indeed. There are such criteria for evolution -- for example, finding a Precambrian rabbit fossil, or a transposon in whales and cows but not hippos. What does ID have?
364 posted on 10/22/2005 10:12:50 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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