Was the Joe Wilson Valerie Plame Affair a CIA Plot?

The National Ledger ^ | oct. 21, 2005 | Cliff Kincaid

[DrC]

"Wilson said that a former prime minister of Niger, Ibrahim Assane Mayaki, was unaware of any sales contract with Iraq, but said that in June 1999 a businessman approached him, insisting that he meet with an Iraqi delegation to discuss "expanding commercial relations" between Niger and Iraq -- which Mayaki interpreted to mean they wanted to discuss yellowcake sales."

Doesn't this pretty much fit right into the timeline of Joe Wilson's retiring 1 year after marrying Valerie Plame to pursue his business interests? We all assume Wilson's trip was part of a CIA plot to get back at Cheney and/or cover up their own ineptitude regarding WMD, but (especially) if Plame was involved in encouraging CIA to send her husband TWICE to Niger (once in 1999, then again in 2002), doesn't it seem at least plausible Wilson himself was involved in the yellowcake deal and that all subsequent shenanigans are efforts to cover this up, using forged documents to obfuscate the situation?

If so, then the question is whether there is a "French connection" in all this. If Wilson's wife is French intel, isn't it at least plausible she would know Plame was the WMD person within CIA? How better to get an inside track on what the CIA knows and who knows it than to marry into the family?!? We've seen from the French oil-for-food scandal that they were shameless about making money off human misery. Why NOT get in on a yellowcake deal if the getting was good? After all, the French wouldn't have to clean up any subsequent mess that resulted from such yellowcake sales: it would inevitably fall to the Americans and/or Israelis to sort out the problems that would arise once Hussein had nuclear weapons.

Alternatively, Wilson himself simply recognized a great business opportunity when he spotted it in the natural course of his diplomatic duties. Valerie Plame either was complicit or clueless. If complicit, she shares a strong motivation to assist Wilson in covering this up, by recommending he take a trip to Niger. If clueless, Wilson himself might have subtly induced her to make this an innocent suggestion "Honey, remember when you had them send me to Niger in 1999. If someone needs to check out this Niger story, I'd be happy to do it. After all, especially with all my business connections, I still know all the who's who over there: it wouldn't take but a week to figure out what was going on..."

[Sacajaweau]

Thanks for that little tidbit!! Foley! I would assume Joe knows of this guy. If Valerie would dump her secret status on Joe on their third date, I'm sure she would talk about her boss and a lot of other things. At one time, I believed Valerie to be "duped" by her hubby. But now, I think she has had a part in this all along. She couldn't care less if they fired her. She's got kids now. Jane Bond is now June Cleaver.

[Sacajaweau]

Interesting that her name is Vicoria. That's one of the notes in Miller's notebook. I still look at Miller's notes as a self serving code and Victoria Wilson meant "Victoria's Secret".

[Sacajaweau]

As soon as I found out that Hillary, Mandy Grunwald and Cooper were connected at the hip and that Wilson had been hired by the Dem camp, everything became pretty self evident. Another attempt to bring down the Whitehouse.

Rove was ALWAYS the target. The Cheney connection was a spoof for the press.

If COOPER hadn't "involved" Rove and Libby with his phone calls, I couldn't connect any of those dots. THAT was the Dems mistake. Miller got used and she loves it!! But the times doesn't seem real happy right now.

Now too long ago, Bubba blurted out that if they could get rid of Rove, they could get the Whitehouse back. (Musta been the meds).

[GOPJ]

DiGenova tells this columnist, “It seems to me somewhat strange, in terms of CIA tradecraft, that if you were really attempting to protect the identity of a covert officer, why would you send her husband overseas on a mission, without a confidentiality agreement, and then allow him when he came back to the United States to write an op-ed piece in the New York Times about it.”

Good point.

[Sacajaweau]

Miller qualifies the word "bureau" as "normally" meaning the FBI. My contentions is this little chick has her own little code when she takes notes....Like Valerie Flame and Victoria Wilson. No one can interpret her notes except her. What an asset in a courtroom.

[gotribe]

There is the political infighting aspect, but there may be a whole lot more to this than Dems v. Pubs.

See this 1996 policy analysis (long) by the CATO Institute discussing the transition of the CIA from a security espionage body to an economic espionage body after the Cold War and how its economic focus obscured real security threats such as the rise of, among other things, privatization of terrorism by a guy named bin Laden (written in 1996!).

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-265.html

Add to that the economic espionage competition between the CIA, French DGSE, Chinese and Russian intelligence agencies, and it's easy to see how an ally in economic espionage could become an adversary in the war on terrorism. Like someone else said on this or another thread, follow the money.

Fast forward to today, and it's as if there are two CIAs and they are trying to kill each other, and Bush needs one of them more than the other.

In fact, he has shifted the focus of the CIA away from the economic and toward terrorism, which would seem to pit a whole host of CIA persons and their international pals (certain Saudi princes, Chinese gov/biz people, etc.) against the administration's objectives.

This may add some more perspective to:

The Gorelick wall - why the CIA would want to prevent domestic security from getting in the way of external economic espionage activities and relationships (e.g. China, Saudis, and others)

Lack of strong security intelligence leading up to the Iraq War.

The Niger yellowcake incident in which a bias toward the economic espionage battle (CIA v. DGSE) undercut what should have been a more diligent security espionage exercise.

The manipulation of the MSM by certain CIA persons and advocates - through leaks and access - to protect their economic interests.

I hope Fitzgerald's investigation can bring some of the CIA's mishandlings to light.

[metalurgist]

Was this the first time that the CIA launched a covert operation against a President of the United States?

[Verginius Rufus]

EUREKA!

I found ex-wife #2's name, in the 1998 edition of Who's Who. She is listed as:

Jacqueline Marylene Giorgi.

The first wife was Susan Dale Otchis (married Apr. 27, 1973, div. 1986).
The marriage to Jacqueline was celebrated on July 1, 1986.

The 1999 listing already airbrushes out the second marriage and lists Valerie Plame (married April 3, 1998).

[toddlintown]

"The CIA is no better then the KGB... might be worse because the CIA has no loyalty."

Sure, now break open another 6-pack.

[jonrick46]

Your dot connections spell . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . T R E A S O N.

[jonrick46]

"The Gorelick wall - why the CIA would want to prevent domestic security from getting in the way of external economic espionage activities and relationships (e.g. China, Saudis, and others).

The Gorelick wall could have hid the Clinton Administration's infiltration into the CIA of left wing--Communist (let's just spell it out!).

[Enchante]

Wow, good find, so now she's there, now she's not.....

Joe Wilson has done an Orwellian memory-hole for his 2nd wife in "Who's Who"..... now why would he do that?

[John Lenin]

It does worry me that so little of the 'real' story ever seems to get into the MSM. I know that's not surprising given their biases, but it's still worrying that Goss and the WH so far have been totally unable to educate the media and the public about the real problems......

This is hugh!

[Enchante]

re: Cooper's phone calls and

"THAT was the Dems mistake"

I agree with the significance of your dots, but it won't amount to much of a mistake by the 'Rats UNLESS Fitzgerald or someone else truly blows this thing wide open on them. Otherwise, the only story that the vast majority of people in this country (and around the world) will ever hear is the false one that the MSM and Joe Wilson have been telling for more than 2 years.

[Verginius Rufus]

Maybe the current wife didn't want any trace of wife #2 in the entry...wife #1 stayed because she was the mother of his two older children, I suppose. There wasn't much of an interval between divorce #1 and marriage #2. Because the second marriage is ignored in the 1999 ed. and later, we can't tell how long the interval was between divorce #2 and marriage #3, but it probably was short. At any rate there doesn't seem to be time for any other ex-wives, unless there was a brief marriage before Susan Dale Otchis (but he was only 23 when he married her).

I tried to post the entry from the 1998 ed. as a new thread but it didn't take...I'm not sure what I did wrong or if there are others who have been trying to find the name of ex #2 (but may not read this thread).

[Sacajaweau]

You're absolutely right. That is treason.

[Texas Songwriter]

New question. Does Wilson work for the CIA? Was CIA in Iraq ahead of the war? Remember how many 'stashes' of cash in dollar denominations were found. Many tens of millions or hundreds of millions. Is there any evidence that Niger did any kind of trade with IraQ? Was Wilson in Niger to make arrangements to have an element of the CIA to be hired by Baathists or Sadam himself to undermine the cause of the war? This whole mess centers around a report by Wilson who reported cavalierly that he sipped mint julips with a few Nigerian friends. WHO did he see in Niger? What documents did he see? Is he just reporting on some bullshitting sessions or did he see higherups in the Nigerian Government? The media accepted this capricious explaination as to the totality of what he learned from 'a few friends' in Nigeria, and that was supposed to be the basis for the US government response to the unanimous agreement among all intelligence agencies of the western world,...England, France, Germany, Italy, Russia....that does not wash. The media would only accept that if they were part of that world view. That is why Novak is persona nongrata in journalism. How much money does Wilson (exhippie who has to work) and his wife make? Have they inherited money? Who are Wilsons clients? What was Joe and Valeries itenery....say 4 or 5 years ago? What parties did they attend. How close was Wilson to the Kerry campaign?

Is Fitzgerald so close to this case that he cannot see the conflicts of Wilson/Plame/CIA/MSM with the administration?

This is either a gotcha inquistion with Fitzgerald or it is perhaps the biggest story since World WAr II.

[Enchante]

Sure, it might have been changed just to please wife #3, but it seems like a very strange thing to do (maybe people who have multiple spouses like to write former spouses out of their bios sometimes, but I can't imagine doing that myself). It made me suspicious that he was trying to keep in the the shadows for other reasons, but the fact that he did include #2 in a previous edition undermines that (still, as a French "cultural counselor" in their Burundi embassy Jacqueline might well have been an intel agent).

[nopardons]

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