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Patient wants to live, but old 'living will' mandates death
WorldNetDaily ^ | 10/20/05 | Diana Lynne

Posted on 10/20/2005 5:52:22 PM PDT by wagglebee

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On September 8, after having been off morphine and other mind-altering drugs for 10 hours, the family assembled in Chambers's room at Naples Community Hospital. Present were Viola Chambers, 10 children and Chambers's treating physician, Dr. Kenneth Bookman.

"We all believed that daddy would elect to discontinue the ventilator," Potter told WND. "I went there with the determination that if that's what he chose, I would support him and stand there and love him and not leave that room until he left us."

Again, Chambers surprised them.

"He was asked specifically if he wanted to stay on the ventilator and his answer was 'yes,'" wrote Bookman in a notarized letter documenting the event, a copy of which was supplied to WND.

"He was asked if he understood that he would likely never go home again, and would likely live in a ventilator facility, on the ventilator, for the rest of his life and his answer was, 'yes,'" Bookman's letter continued. "He was asked if he wanted to be removed from the ventilator and his answer was 'no.' He was asked if he understood that he would die if he would be removed from the ventilator and his answer was, 'yes.'"

Bookman states he felt that Chambers was off of sedation and aware enough to comprehend and make decisions regarding life support.

It is disgusting to me that there would even be any consideration of removing his ventilator after this.

1 posted on 10/20/2005 5:52:25 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: little jeremiah; DirtyHarryY2K; Coleus; NYer; Salvation

Moral absolutes - Culture of Death ping.


2 posted on 10/20/2005 5:53:24 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

I don't find this to be similar to the Schiavo case. If the man can talk and is lucid and said he wants to remain alive, how is there even any discussion?


3 posted on 10/20/2005 5:57:04 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You know, Happy Time Harry, just being around you kinda makes me want to die.)
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...


4 posted on 10/20/2005 5:57:35 PM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isaiah 5:20-21)
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To: wagglebee

Gee.
I wonder if the missus has a huge insurance policy on him.


5 posted on 10/20/2005 5:59:25 PM PDT by Salamander (Cursed with Second Sight)
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To: Mr. Blonde
I agree. The idea behind a living will/advance medical directive is to convey your wishes only when death is imminent and you are unable to communicate your desire.
6 posted on 10/20/2005 5:59:38 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

I thought a living will only took affect when a person was unable to speak for himself.


7 posted on 10/20/2005 6:03:01 PM PDT by evad ( PC KILLS-)
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Well, what I am getting from this is that if you execute a living will, or simply make an idle comment, some people believe your spouse has the right to kill you.

After the Schiavo case, I made it plain to my husband that I did not want to be starved and deprived of water. He was free to divorce me. All I wanted was a comfortable room, an occasional visitor, and a TV with Fox News. If I am brain dead it won't matter, and if I am like this guy, at least I would have some contact with the outside world.

8 posted on 10/20/2005 6:07:51 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: wagglebee
The courts slid the Terri Schiavo case right passed the American public..now on with the next step with the Euthanasia movements plans?

I hate to tell people I told you so.

9 posted on 10/20/2005 6:09:26 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Proud right-winger who loves this country)
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To: evad
I thought a living will only took affect when a person was unable to speak for himself.

Give them enough sedation, and they aren't able to speak for themselves.

One reason I won't sign a living will or an organ donor card.

10 posted on 10/20/2005 6:18:50 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: wagglebee

Viola Chambers is fighting her own 10 children who are trying to honor their father's clearly expressed will to live. Her desire to have her husband of 58 years die - against his spoken wishes - apparently means more to her than alienating her 10 children in her own old age. Why?


11 posted on 10/20/2005 6:19:15 PM PDT by xJones
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To: wagglebee

I think the wife shoud be considered terminally delusional and have her food and water witheld so she can die that "wonderful peaceful death" that Terry Shiavo did.


12 posted on 10/20/2005 6:27:00 PM PDT by westmichman (I vote Republican for the children and the poor!)
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To: xJones

If I had to guess (and it is nothing more than a guess), it would be insurance money.


13 posted on 10/20/2005 6:27:38 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

Never sign a Living Will.


14 posted on 10/20/2005 6:28:16 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: kittymyrib

I've got one, but it is very specific as to who can make any decisions and under what circumstances.


15 posted on 10/20/2005 6:29:51 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

I'd happily volunteer to smuggle the old guy a firearm.

*BANG!*BANG!*
"What part of NO do y'all not understand?"


16 posted on 10/20/2005 6:30:46 PM PDT by RichInOC (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: wagglebee

"CUSTOMER: Here's one -- nine pence.
DEAD PERSON: I'm not dead!
MORTICIAN: What?
CUSTOMER: Nothing -- here's your nine pence.
DEAD PERSON: I'm not dead!
MORTICIAN: Here -- he says he's not dead!
CUSTOMER: Yes, he is.
DEAD PERSON: I'm not!
MORTICIAN: He isn't.
CUSTOMER: Well, he will be soon, he's very ill.
DEAD PERSON: I'm getting better!
CUSTOMER: No, you're not -- you'll be stone dead in a moment.
MORTICIAN: Oh, I can't take him like that -- it's against
regulations.
DEAD PERSON: I don't want to go in the cart!
CUSTOMER: Oh, don't be such a baby.
MORTICIAN: I can't take him...
DEAD PERSON: I feel fine!
CUSTOMER: Oh, do us a favor...
MORTICIAN: I can't.
CUSTOMER: Well, can you hang around a couple of minutes? He
won't be long.
MORTICIAN: Naaah, I got to go on to Robinson's -- they've lost
nine today.
CUSTOMER: Well, when is your next round?
MORTICIAN: Thursday.
DEAD PERSON: I think I'll go for a walk.
CUSTOMER: You're not fooling anyone y'know. Look, isn't there
something you can do?
DEAD PERSON: I feel happy... I feel happy.
[whop]
CUSTOMER: Ah, thanks very much.
MORTICIAN: Not at all. See you on Thursday.
CUSTOMER: Right."


17 posted on 10/20/2005 6:32:56 PM PDT by decal (Mother Nature and Real Life are conservatives; the Progs have never figured this out.)
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To: wagglebee

Look at the tag line...


18 posted on 10/20/2005 6:37:10 PM PDT by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: nickcarraway

It's scary, but true.


19 posted on 10/20/2005 6:38:29 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: thompsonsjkc; odoso; animoveritas; mercygrace; Laissez-faire capitalist; bellevuesbest; ...
MORAL ABSOLUTES PING

lj has been busy last few days, I've taken the liberty to ping the M/A ping list.

If you want on/off the M/A pinglist Freepmail little jeremiah

20 posted on 10/20/2005 6:42:02 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (http://soapboxharry.blogspot.com/)
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