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To: BMCDA

"This, however, doesn't mean that they do not change over time until the different populations become distinct species ...compare this process to those Russian Matryoshka nesting dolls only in this case one "doll" can contain more than one smaller "doll"."



I found this analogy very interesting. I purchased several of these when I was in the Ukraine but never considered the analogy. As a creationist, I believe God created the potential for species variation where evolutionists apparently believe time and chance created the variation. And variation is just part of the problem for evolution - they also have to explain how life began.

And wouldn't you expect to see transitional forms between the squirrel 'matryoska' descendents? I believe Darwin predicted that fossil evidence would be found to prove the transition.


236 posted on 10/21/2005 11:01:14 AM PDT by GOPPachyderm
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To: GOPPachyderm
And variation is just part of the problem for evolution - they also have to explain how life began.

No, how life began is not part of the theory of evolution. It's true that scientists (especially biochemists) are trying to find possible pathways of how life could have started but this research is not crucial for the ToE.
Evolution only requires the existence of imperfect self-replicators but how they originated doesn't really matter because they are still imperfect self-replicators. In other words, the theory of evolution is a theory that is concerned with the dynamics of a system and not its initial conditions.

And wouldn't you expect to see transitional forms between the squirrel 'matryoska' descendents? I believe Darwin predicted that fossil evidence would be found to prove the transition.

Uhmm, not between the descendants but between the common ancestral population and its descendants. You have to remember that this is a branching process and once two populations become reproductively isolated there is no "link" between them anymore. Of course fossilization is a rare process, so you may not find a complete series of fossils.

Another way to visualize the speciation process is to take an image of the visible spectrum (e.g. from an old physics book for instance) cut it into two pieces of equal size and place them side by side:

At the left side the two populations are still pretty similar and able to interbreed. If you proceed further to the right they may still be able to interbreed but their offspring is infertile. Even further to the right they may not even be able to interbreed. Nevertheless, you have to keep in mind that this is a continuous process and there is no point where one species "gives birth" to a new species.

237 posted on 10/21/2005 1:10:19 PM PDT by BMCDA (Whereof we cannot speak, thereof we must be silent. -- L. Wittgenstein)
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