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Mark Steyn: The death of Mother Russia
The Spectator (U.K.) ^ | 10/22/05 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 10/20/2005 6:18:16 AM PDT by Pokey78

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To: vox_PL

CHEERS!!!!!


181 posted on 10/23/2005 5:08:39 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: claudiustg

"Latvia was under the Russian boot for almost 200 years until WWI and the Revolution loosened their grip. The Russians did their best to destroy the language and culture of this people"

Just think. Use your brains
If Russia wanted & tryin to destroy your language & culture for 200 years! don't you think that your native language could be russian not latvian. Look to the national repablics in Russia each of them has it own language & culture (exept Dagestan where 2 mil. population speak over 50 languages till now!) Look to the Ukraine (like Yushenko said was over 800 years under russian occupation) their speaking in Ukranian language. the same thing with Georgia, Armenia, etc. Good example with Finland when Tsar Alexsander came in, he said that you (Finns) can speak in your native language confess your religion & continue your culture traditions From this moment you are in a big family of Russia. ( In Helsinky till now standig the monument of Alexsander )

"Then the Russian Communists came back in 1940 took the country back"
The fact is that goverment of your country made a decision to enter in USSR.

P.S. Here is the facts. who is he fool now?


182 posted on 10/23/2005 5:24:45 AM PDT by iva
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To: iva

So my joke was lost on you I see. What a shame. If you had read Twain you'd know what sense of humour means.


183 posted on 10/23/2005 6:21:15 AM PDT by REactor (Polski patriota)
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To: iva
you said that you are russophobic it means that you hate exacly russians as a nation & Russia as a country. The policy is no the reason. So the reason is in the inferiority complex cause the The Poles always sure that They are the best nation at least in Europe but in real Russia always dominated & dominates Poland even now. AND you know, the word "phobia" from greek "Phobos" means "fear" simply you just afraid of Russia & Russians That is why Russians are not polonophobics cause there is no in Russia any person who is afraid of your country. More than that Russians like a lot of polish cultural workers more than any nation in the europe.

You are hilarious, really :) Thanks for telling me what phobia means, I wouldn't have known it without you. One more thing: I'm not Russophobe. I used this word ironically (look up your dictionary;)) because Russians have a way of accusing Poles of Russophobia when they cannot understand why we don't love tovorishch Putin.

BTW I have read Tolstoy's War and peace (all four volumes). Have you?

184 posted on 10/23/2005 6:38:17 AM PDT by REactor (Polski patriota)
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To: vox_PL

Well said. Thanks.


185 posted on 10/23/2005 6:40:44 AM PDT by REactor (Polski patriota)
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To: iva
By the way read some day Kerylov's Tale " The Elefant & Moska" remind of Russo - Polish relations.

ROTFLMAO! Tell me more about Polish complexes. It's very amusing!

186 posted on 10/23/2005 6:47:38 AM PDT by REactor (Polski patriota)
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To: REactor

Good point of you. Firstly you say "i'm russophobic" etc. And then "it was a joke"


187 posted on 10/23/2005 7:44:10 AM PDT by iva
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To: REactor

"I have read Tolstoy's War and peace (all four volumes). Have you?"

4 times


188 posted on 10/23/2005 7:45:10 AM PDT by iva
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To: REactor

By the way read some day Kerylov's Tale " The Elefant & Moska" remind of Russo - Polish relations.

but don't you think that figuratively the situation is (was) very very resembling.


189 posted on 10/23/2005 7:49:59 AM PDT by iva
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To: iva
Firstly you say "i'm russophobic" etc. And then "it was a joke"

1. I used the word "Russophobe" in a sarcastic way. By your sick standards probably I am one.
2. The joke was about Mark Twain and his being dead. You obviously didn't get it.

Do I really have to explain everything to you two times?

190 posted on 10/23/2005 8:07:40 AM PDT by REactor (Polski patriota)
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To: iva

---"Then the Russian Communists came back in 1940 took the country back"
The fact is that goverment of your country made a decision to enter in USSR.

P.S. Here is the facts. who is he fool now?---

"Following Stalin-Hitler pact, Russian troops occupy Latvia. Latvia is incorporated into the Soviet union. Repressive actions begin including mass deportations to Siberia."

They made the decision the same way the Poles did! Did you learn your history in oh, RUSSIA, by any chance?


191 posted on 10/23/2005 8:23:52 AM PDT by claudiustg (Go Bush! Go Sharon!)
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To: GarySpFc

---You don't seem to grasp the Russians were under the boot of the communists. It was not the ordinary Russian on the street who subgated Latvia. Is that so hard for you to grasp, or are you likewise a bigot?---

Latvia was first occupied by the Russians in 1710! The Communists didn't come to power until 1917.


192 posted on 10/23/2005 8:26:51 AM PDT by claudiustg (Go Bush! Go Sharon!)
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To: iva
"I have read Tolstoy's War and peace (all four volumes). Have you?" 4 times

Four times? That's impossible! I don't say the book was boring, but I read it through only because I waited for the great scene of Napoleon capturing Alexander and locking him in iron cage. But, alas!, Russkies won as usual. (Attention!- this was a joke)

Let me guess: you were interrogated by FSB and they made you read it four times as a special kind of torture?

193 posted on 10/23/2005 8:30:37 AM PDT by REactor (Polski patriota)
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To: iva

---Just think. Use your brains
If Russia wanted & tryin to destroy your language & culture for 200 years! don't you think that your native language could be russian not latvian. ---

No, because it was the peasants that didn't go to school thet kept it alive.


194 posted on 10/23/2005 8:43:38 AM PDT by claudiustg (Go Bush! Go Sharon!)
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To: Hop A Long Cassidy

It is our own hubris which makes us think we will be able to change this dynamic.


195 posted on 10/23/2005 8:49:51 AM PDT by tom paine 2
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To: REactor

Let me guess: you were interrogated by FSB and they made you read it four times as a special kind of torture?

um... i guess that one of your manifestation of the ingenious sense of humor.


196 posted on 10/23/2005 9:30:49 AM PDT by iva
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To: claudiustg

oh yes the the peasants which didn't go to school could save written of the language grammar & structure of one.

"The Russians did their best to destroy the language and culture of this people."

Well i''m not ethnic russian too. I was born in Northern Caucasia & popularity of my nation is not realy big (only 150 thousand people) But i remember when i was visiting elementry school in the USSR we had a lesson called " the native language" where we were learning to read & to write in one. Also national Folclore & Traditions. Folowimg your logic the language & culture of my nation were much more important for Soviets then yours. But again as far as i know the official language of Latvia is LATVIAN NOT RUSSIAN. If any state want to assimilate any nation its not a difficult problem. Have a Look at Germany on which terretory used to live tens of the nations now there is only one nation with one native language one culture & one history. In Soviet Union & now in Russia every region have it own history, it own traditions, culture, folklore etc., language in the end (but all of them at same time speaks in russian cause they in the country)


197 posted on 10/23/2005 10:28:07 AM PDT by iva
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To: iva

---oh yes the the peasants which didn't go to school could save written of the language grammar & structure of one. ---

It was the peasants that gave the language life, so that there was something for the intellectuals to write down. Otherwise German or Russian would have completely supplanted Latvian many years before the Communists came along.


198 posted on 10/23/2005 10:53:20 AM PDT by claudiustg (Go Bush! Go Sharon!)
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To: GarySpFc
and almost all have the ability to at least purchase the necessities.

That is not my impression, not in the vast Russian provinces anyway.

As to Moscow, I already had a chance to emphasize that it's not Russia, never has been and isn't representative of the country's situation.

199 posted on 10/23/2005 1:24:14 PM PDT by Neophyte (Nazists, Communists, Islamists... what the heck is the difference?)
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