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Researchers Solve Ballistic Mystery in Ceramic Armor High-Velocity Impacts
Johns Hopkins Institutions ^ | March 2003

Posted on 10/18/2005 5:14:00 PM PDT by strategofr

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been thinking about ceramic armor. Ceramic cups aren't so strong, so how can they make ceramic armor. Duh?
1 posted on 10/18/2005 5:14:03 PM PDT by strategofr
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To: strategofr

Have you let MIT know of your musings?


2 posted on 10/18/2005 5:19:11 PM PDT by Ninian Dryhope
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Very interesting. I must say though, does this require a a study? It doesn't take a scientist to figure out why a barrier will stop a dump truck traveling at 60MPH while that same barrier wont prevent a Dodge Viper traveling at 120MPH from passing through.


3 posted on 10/18/2005 5:24:59 PM PDT by KoRn
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Instead of trying to modify the armor, why not put another layer of a separate material outside of the armor, which will slow the incoming projectile enough that the "hypervelocity impact induced phase change" does not occur?


4 posted on 10/18/2005 5:25:24 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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um, they were wondering HOW is breaks under greater impact right? not WHY.

just about everything will break eventually as you increase the pressure/impact.

they should have used gooder english for writing this here article. its bad enough to change the meaning.


5 posted on 10/18/2005 5:28:09 PM PDT by KneelBeforeZod ( I'm going to open Cobra Kai dojos all over this valley!)
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To: strategofr

Jim McCauley... the inventor of transparent aluminum. Good man.


6 posted on 10/18/2005 5:31:19 PM PDT by XEHRpa
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To: KoRn
It doesn't take a scientist to figure out why a barrier will stop a dump truck traveling at 60MPH while that same barrier wont prevent a Dodge Viper traveling at 120MPH from passing through.

I disagree. While it may be true that "it doesn't take a scientist to figure that a barrier...", it is a much more difficult question to figure out "why a barrier..."

7 posted on 10/18/2005 5:34:03 PM PDT by XEHRpa
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Instead of trying to modify the armor, why not put another layer of a separate material outside of the armor...

Maybe some of this stuff:
Air Force testing new transparent armor

8 posted on 10/18/2005 5:34:54 PM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: XEHRpa

Point taken. ;^)


9 posted on 10/18/2005 5:36:28 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: grey_whiskers

I suggest hyper-dimensional phase-shifting armor.


10 posted on 10/18/2005 5:37:05 PM PDT by msf92497 (The most dangerous place to be is in a "mothers" womb.)
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To: grey_whiskers
Instead of trying to modify the armor, why not put another layer of a separate material outside of the armor, which will slow the incoming projectile enough that the "hypervelocity impact induced phase change" does not occur?

Armors generally work by either breaking and catching the projectile (like boron carbide body armor) or by eroding the projectile away (like M1 tank armor). Armor of the latter variety doesn't generally slow the projectile down appreciably until it is nearly fully eroded, and so an eroding cover on B4C wouldn't help. On the other hand, a cover that could slow down the projectile would be a suitable replacement for B4C, and so just dispense with it altogether.

In fact, there are specialized cases where what you suggest may make sense and is done, but in general, adding a cover to the base armor, without diminishing the base armor is a recipe for overweight, overthick protection.

11 posted on 10/18/2005 5:39:52 PM PDT by XEHRpa
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To: strategofr
"The question now is, how should we try to change the boron carbide?"

Positive thinking
A 12 Step  Program

Really  this is the kind of question you should ask over at DU
12 posted on 10/18/2005 5:41:18 PM PDT by grjr21
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Perhaps if they dig deeper, they will discover the Rumsfeld/Cheny effect.
13 posted on 10/18/2005 5:41:32 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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> I suggest hyper-dimensional phase-shifting armor.

Beam me up, Scotty.


14 posted on 10/18/2005 5:41:34 PM PDT by XEHRpa
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> Perhaps if they dig deeper, they will discover the Rumsfeld/Cheny effect.

Is that the one where, if you are a real hard-ass, you don't need no steenken armor. Yeah, I think the chemical composition is M4C (Moron-Clymer).


15 posted on 10/18/2005 5:44:29 PM PDT by XEHRpa
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Because that's not the question. The question is why the armor was performing less well than predicted for a given velocity. The study figured out what the problem was, and because we now know the problem, they'll be able to design more effective armors in the future.


16 posted on 10/18/2005 5:46:24 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: grjr21

>>"The question now is, how should we try to change the boron carbide?"
> Positive thinking: A 12 Step Program. Really this is the kind of question you should ask over at DU?

Material scientists talk like this all the time. It's quite unnerving to us Mech.E's


17 posted on 10/18/2005 5:46:28 PM PDT by XEHRpa
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In other words, the boron carbide has to want to change?
18 posted on 10/18/2005 5:47:18 PM PDT by SlowBoat407 (The best things happen just before the thread snaps.)
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To: msf92497
I suggest hyper-dimensional phase-shifting armor.

Easily defeated by a transphasic projectile.

19 posted on 10/18/2005 5:49:03 PM PDT by Redcloak (We'll raise up our glasses against evil forces singin' "whiskey for my men and beer for my horses!")
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To: grey_whiskers
"Instead of trying to modify the armor, why not put another layer of a separate material outside of the armor, which will slow the incoming projectile enough that the "hypervelocity impact induced phase change" does not occur?"

Then it is no longer lightweight. It also becomes bulky.....

20 posted on 10/18/2005 5:50:37 PM PDT by oust the louse
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