I would agree that ID requires some sort of supernatural cause. Personally, I believe that cause is the God of the Bible. Others on the ID side would argue that the 'designer' is not known.
The evolutionist has a similar problem. Just as some IDers claim they don't know the identity of the 'designer', the evolutionists does not even attempt to explain the origin of life.
If the evolutionists cannot identify the force behind the origination of life, it is unreasonable to expect the non-Christian IDer to identify the 'designer'.
The evolutionist who claims the origin of life has nothing to do with evolution is being at least as disingenuous as any IDer who claims that the designer is unknown.
Based on the comments of some of the evolutionists on these threads, some evolutionists concede that the origin of life could have a supernatural cause. Is the belief in the existence of an intelligent designer really any different?
No. But it's still not science. Cover it in religion class.
I've been playing on thesee threads for several years, and I know from observation that there are only two issues that concern most freepers -- common descent and the age of the earth.
The really odd thing is that the star witness for the defense agrees with mainstream science on both of these issues.
I have been asking for a couple months now and have not been able to get a single freeper ID advocate to agree with Behe on these two points.
Good honest comment.
Those that insist that ID's designer is not a consideration haven't really considered the regressions necessitated by their attempted use of negative evidence. Nor have they considered how we recognize design. Part of that recognition is the understanding of the purpose of the artifact (or intent of the designer) as well as the tools and methods available to the manufacturer.
"The evolutionist has a similar problem. Just as some IDers claim they don't know the identity of the 'designer', the evolutionists does not even attempt to explain the origin of life.
There is a difference. Evolution does not need to know how life came about to understand the processes, mechanisms and results of evolution. The IDist needs to be able to not only identify design but to differentiate between designed and non-designed. If you take a close look at how we humans tell our own design from nature you'll note that knowledge of the designer's (not a specific individual) past work, intent, tools and techniques is needed.
"If the evolutionists cannot identify the force behind the origination of life, it is unreasonable to expect the non-Christian IDer to identify the 'designer'.
This isn't true. See above for why.
"The evolutionist who claims the origin of life has nothing to do with evolution is being at least as disingenuous as any IDer who claims that the designer is unknown.
Not at all. The origin question is not part of evolution because of the limitations of the ToE. Evolution needs descent with modification and selection.
"Based on the comments of some of the evolutionists on these threads, some evolutionists concede that the origin of life could have a supernatural cause. Is the belief in the existence of an intelligent designer really any different?
No it isn't all that different. What is different is the motivation of the two groups. Idists desire to replace methodological naturalism with something that can not possibly work as a science. Those evolutionists that believe in a God do not want to change science.