[sinkspur]

Could you please point out to me where the Church states that the homosexual orientation is, itself, an actual sin.

If you are saying that all men are sinners, regardless of orientation, then, yes. But I was specifically responding to someone who said that a homosexual had to confess the fact that he is a homosexual, since the state itself is sinful.

That is not the teaching of the Church.

[TradicalRC]

Once again we have to get into all the niggling details about what is Actual Dogma as opposed to Actual Doctrine as opposed to The Magisterium etc. You seem to enjoy these rather legalistic forms of sophistry and indulge in them relentlessly. Let's keep it simple shall we?:

1. Scripture condemns homosexuality in no uncertain terms.

2. The Church upholds the ethos and teachings of Scripture and also recognizes homosexuality as sinful.

3. In addition to being sinful, the Church recognizes that homosexuality is contrary to both God's Law and natural law, hence disordered.

4. Pope after Pope has recognized that homosexuals in the priesthood are a problem and have stated explicitly that it should be avoided.

5. You who are the Almighty Papist when it comes to matters liturgical now do not seem too swayed by what the Pope has to say on the matter. Very telling, that.

That's okay, liberals like yourself are the great enablers of the worst in our society; just as they were apologists for the communists in the mid-twentieth century, now they are the apologists for the homosexuals in the brave new millenium.