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Special Report: Miers Tells Specter that She Supports Griswold v. Connecticut ("Right to Privacy")
Fox News | October 17, 2005

Posted on 10/17/2005 3:43:34 PM PDT by RWR8189

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To: pookie18
Oh...well I didn't remember that. So Roberts agreed with Griswold too. Interesting.

I disagree with Griswold only because I think it is not a constitutional issue. And the biggest reason this matters is BECAUSE of the ramifications of that precedent.

21 posted on 10/17/2005 4:00:31 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people. Ps. 14:34)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Griswold affirmed the belief of many that your rights go beyond the enumerated rights laid out in the Constitution. I don't know why there was any doubt of this fact, since it clearly says so in the 9th amendment.


22 posted on 10/17/2005 4:02:09 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (North Texas Solutions http://ntxsolutions.com)
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To: Dog
I meant, uh oh, this will not go well with conservatives. But then I was reminded that Roberts said the same thing, basically. So .... nevermind.

See post 9.

23 posted on 10/17/2005 4:02:38 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people. Ps. 14:34)
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I could be wrong, but I believe that Griswold was used as a basis for the Roe decision.
24 posted on 10/17/2005 4:03:13 PM PDT by clintonh8r (In God we trust. All others pay cash.)
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To: Redbob
re: "So Bush's legacy will be staffing the Supreme Court with second-rate left-of-center-O'Connor-type justices."

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Emphasis added - such small details are important - something that the Bush White House totally lost in the screening process.

Bush has taken himself from "near great" to "lessor" on the Presidential rating scale, with these two SCOTUS appointments. These SCOTUS appointments are as sad as outrageous. Bush has been poorly served by his staff, and in fact, Miers was one of the principals. I feel she disqualified herself the moment she accepted Bush's nomination. She should have excused herself when the topic was first breeched if she were actually interested (and I saw reports about her as a possible candidate for over two weeks prior to the announcement). From an ethically perspective, she should have recommended a new counsel to lead the vetting process. Or, she should have immediately and publically squashed such rumors.

That Miers allowed herself to be selected while she was the lead advisor in the selection process was a huge conflict of interests. Nice woman, maybe a fellow conservative and Christian, but she failed the most important ethical test of her career when she ACCEPTED the nomination WHILE BEING PART of the nomination process. Her lapse in legal judgement (or her ambition) has demonstrated that she is UNQUALIFED for the job A new "packaging" job by the White House won't change this.

SFS

25 posted on 10/17/2005 4:03:24 PM PDT by Steel and Fire and Stone
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Hmm, OK... do people actually have a problem with Griswold v. Connecticut, which upheld a married couple's right to use contraception?

I have no problem with state legislation providing that. But I have a big problem pretending such a 'right' is protected by the constitution.

26 posted on 10/17/2005 4:05:22 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: pookie18; onyx

Yes; and he based it on various amendments (private property, free speech, freedom of religion, etc.) -- NOT the pro-aborts' darling, #14.

This doesn't help the anti-Miers obsessives at all.

Well, not objectively.

Dan


27 posted on 10/17/2005 4:07:28 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Steel and Fire and Stone

Should Cheney have declined Bush's request that he be Bush's VP, even though Cheney was in charge of the VP selection process? Same principle seems to be involved.


28 posted on 10/17/2005 4:09:00 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you're not willing to give Harriett Miers a hearing, I don't give a damn what you think.)
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To: BibChr


I figured as much. Thanks Dan.
Shall I post a Henny Penny graphic...lol?


29 posted on 10/17/2005 4:09:04 PM PDT by onyx ((Vicksburg, MS) North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: RWR8189

I can see it now. Because it is not explicit in the constitution, it does not exist in the constitution.

There were many facts of life, liberty and the pursuit of justices which were "understood". There were words which had meaning and did not have to be enumerated.

ie. Marriage is based on "contract law" and is older than the bible. One did not engage in "contract law" with queers.
A man had to have a son (ie; the 1st commandment, "go forth, be fruitful and multiply!") or daughters for heirs. This was to preserve the family, the clan and the tribe.

Privacy may be an interpretation "according to Griswold decision", but other laws such as unlawful seaches, illegal quartering of troops, illegal to witness against oneself all lead to the same direction and conclusion.

The real question concerning abortion is not the legality. (That imo is a personal matter.) The real issue is whether it is a federal issue and whether tax money can be used to support it. If the 1st part is no, then the 2nd part is irrelevant.

Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

The above amendments limit the authority of the Federal government. Abortion is something for the states or the provinces thereof to consider (IMO).


30 posted on 10/17/2005 4:09:51 PM PDT by Prost1 (New AG, Berger is still free, copped a plea! I still get my news from FR!)
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To: ModelBreaker
I have no problem with state legislation providing that. But I have a big problem pretending such a 'right' is protected by the constitution.

Does the constitution protect a state's right to forbid the use of contraceptives by married people? And to hold married people criminally liable if they do?

32 posted on 10/17/2005 4:11:15 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you're not willing to give Harriett Miers a hearing, I don't give a damn what you think.)
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To: BibChr

You've been here long enough to know that a person who tries to be facts into these discussions will be pummeled.


33 posted on 10/17/2005 4:11:17 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: pookie18

Only for the woman. The man in the marriage has no say in it.


34 posted on 10/17/2005 4:11:48 PM PDT by funkywbr
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To: pookie18

Apparently any right to privacy does not extend to private conversations in the office of a US Senator.


35 posted on 10/17/2005 4:11:54 PM PDT by csmusaret (Urban Sprawl is an oxymoron)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
"Griswold affirmed the belief of many that your rights go beyond the enumerated rights laid out in the Constitution. I don't know why there was any doubt of this fact, since it clearly says so in the 9th amendment."

Nicely put, I think. The authors of the Constitution thought the same thing.

It's sometimes known as negative freedom, that our rights are not limited. OTOH, the powers of the government are limited specifically by the Constitution.

36 posted on 10/17/2005 4:11:58 PM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality NRA)
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To: funkywbr
Do we even have to wonder how she would have voted in that Texas case that overturned state sodomy laws in how many states because of PRIVACY.

No you don't.

She told the group she believed gay men and lesbians should have the same civil rights as straight Americans, but that she opposed repeal of the state's sodomy law criminalizing same-sex sexual conduct.

Source.

37 posted on 10/17/2005 4:14:42 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you're not willing to give Harriett Miers a hearing, I don't give a damn what you think.)
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To: gondramB
A right to privacy does exist in the constitution

okay. Where is it in the Constitution?

38 posted on 10/17/2005 4:15:32 PM PDT by bourbon (It's the target that decides whether terror wins.)
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To: RWR8189

I heard Brian Wilson report that....but, didn't he go on to say that Schumer, who also interviewed her, did NOT say she said that?

Just a probably non relative point...but, maybe she DID tell Schumer that and he didn't want to public...so that she would get confirmed w/o that coming out??


39 posted on 10/17/2005 4:17:03 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Please say a prayer, and hold positive thoughts for Texas Cowboy...and Faith.)
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To: Echo Talon; All

Does any of us really trust SPECTER?


40 posted on 10/17/2005 4:18:56 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Please say a prayer, and hold positive thoughts for Texas Cowboy...and Faith.)
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