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Nativism and the immigration issue
San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | 10/17/5 | Phil Kerpen

Posted on 10/17/2005 9:44:36 AM PDT by Crackingham

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To: Regulator

Well put, and sometimes I feel like there's more trotskyites masquerading as "conservatives" than there are the real thing.


21 posted on 10/17/2005 10:14:05 AM PDT by Pelham
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To: Crackingham

Why doesn't this Mr. Kerpen start his program with countries other than America?

Then I could go down to Mazatlan and buy a nice seaside house and not have to worry about property rights or visas. Or Thailand. Or anywhere on the South China Sea for that matter.

The open-borders harpies care only about the American border being open, and not any other country. They never seem to mention that not one single nation on planet Earth willingly allows open borders.


23 posted on 10/17/2005 10:19:39 AM PDT by angkor
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Gilchrist received a sizable 14.4 percent of the vote for Congress on a single-issue, immigrant bashing platform. Colorado Congressman Tom Tancredo, who endorsed Gilchrist, is trying, with some success, to raise immigrant-bashing to a top-tier issue in the 2008 elections.

Anti-immigration sentiment...

An illegal alien is not an immigrant. The author of this article can go fly a kite.

24 posted on 10/17/2005 10:20:45 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: Travis McGee
"Here's your man, a proud exponent of wide open borders."

Phil Kerpen: Another proud member of the journalistic MSM quisling class.

Nothing new here.

25 posted on 10/17/2005 10:21:43 AM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Crackingham
it is wrong to limit an individual's freedom to pursue his or her interests based on it, particularly in a country whose civic identity is based on providing opportunities to people from around the world.

That's all I needed to read. They advocate an open border and are, in my opinion, an enemy of the state.
26 posted on 10/17/2005 10:25:21 AM PDT by steel_resolve
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To: Crackingham
It is very simple: Mexico is a hellhole because it is populated with and run by Mexicans.

The oligarchy in Mexico with the eager help of the right and left in this country want to export to the US the problems caused by the (growing) poverty stricken population of their country.

And these "poor peons" know exactly that they are doing to our country; they just want to make a few bucks and get back to Mexico making a toxic trash heap of our country - nobody cares, right, as long as lettuce is cheap and little Juanita is such a good and cheap nanny.

If this makes me a nativist and someone you oh so good and oh so kind conservatives don't want to invite for tea and crumpets, then you know what - shove it up your a$$.
27 posted on 10/17/2005 10:31:26 AM PDT by RATkiller (I'm not communist, socialist, Democrat nor Republican so don't call me names)
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To: Crackingham
I'm not anti-immigration but I am pro-assimilation. That means that I'm anti-ILLEGAL immigration and pro-controlled immigration.
28 posted on 10/17/2005 10:33:49 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Pelham
sometimes I feel like there's more trotskyites masquerading as "conservatives" than there are the real thing

They're basically faddists, and conservatism is the current fad. So they portray themselves as such, but they can't help trying to change it into something it isn't!

Which isn't very conservative, but then, they aren't....

29 posted on 10/17/2005 10:42:39 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: Czar

Quisling: a synonym for traitor, someone who collaborates with the invaders of his country.

30 posted on 10/17/2005 10:43:02 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Crackingham
immigrant bashing

Although there is a certain amount of "immigrant bashing" going around, it is not "immigrant bashing" to insist that the borders be controlled, and that immigration be controlled and legal.

The writer misses the point that the US is the country on this earth most free for immigration. Most immigration activists are not upset at the fact of immigration, but rather the open border, across which passes we know not who and we know not how many.

In a democracy we share power with our neighbors by means of the vote. We agree to rule one another, and to submit to the rule of our fellows. But we do not agree to be ruled by just anyone, which is where immigration and citizenship laws come in. It is by means of these laws that we agree who we will allow in and who we will share power with.

Free people do not submit to just anyone, we insist that we, at least indirectly, have a say in who we give citizenship to. This means controlling the border, and extending a legal invitation to the people we want to come in.

Approximately 1.3 million people immigrate to the US every year, year in and year out. Who decided thats a good number? When did we have this public debate? Why are you a racist if you think 500,000 is a better number? or 300,000? Why are you a racist if you insist that, if 1.3 million people are coming in, they ought at least to have asked and received permission?

31 posted on 10/17/2005 11:02:08 AM PDT by marron
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"Immigrant bashing"?

WTF?

I can't say I've heard of anyone here on FR bashing legal immigrants.


32 posted on 10/17/2005 11:42:34 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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I can't say I've heard of anyone here on FR bashing legal immigrants.

Indeed, some of us are even married to such. That said, I am totally and irrevocably firmly opposed to the current "open door, anything goes" system in place today. It is nothing less than a recipe for disaster, and all who gainsay this are either wilfully blind, or abysmally ignorant...

the infowarrior

33 posted on 10/17/2005 11:54:28 AM PDT by infowarrior (TANSTAAFL)
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Immigration is about race and politics, not economics. Economics, that is greed, is just the sugar to mask the poison.

A landmark National Academy of Sciences report found that immigrants contribute more than $10 billion annually to the economy. Other estimates range as high as $80 billion

In a multi-trillion dollar economy 10 or even 80 billion is peanuts. We're spending double or triple that per year in Iraq. It shows you how hollow the economic argument is.

34 posted on 10/17/2005 3:23:27 PM PDT by jordan8
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"A landmark National Academy of Sciences report found that immigrants contribute more than $10 billion annually to the economy. Other estimates range as high as $80 billion"

There are plenty of threads here on FR that point to studies where illegals COST the taxpayers of this fine country much more then they "contribute".


35 posted on 10/17/2005 4:27:27 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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My first thought on reading this article is, "So THAT'S what happened to bayourod - he moved to San Diego and got a job with a newspaper!" Glad to hear the ol' boy is doing well.


36 posted on 10/17/2005 4:46:55 PM PDT by cartman90210 (Gone, but not forgotten - check out my profile page for "The Wit And Wisdom Of Bayourod"!)
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To: taxed2death
There are plenty of threads here on FR that point to studies where illegals COST the taxpayers of this fine country much more then they "contribute".

These "studies" are probably well aware of that, and I believe that using phrases such as "benefits the economy" are intentionally misleading. The real question is, it helps which segment of the economy? Employers hire illegals for a lower wage and no benefits, passing the costs to the taxpayers and saving themselves billions of dollars in the process, and somehow that money is "helping the economy" (i.e., everyone in the country)? If this crap keeps up, eventually there won't BE a middle class to pay for all this. And then, what?

37 posted on 10/17/2005 4:54:04 PM PDT by cartman90210 (Gone, but not forgotten - check out my profile page for "The Wit And Wisdom Of Bayourod"!)
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