Prof Speaks at 'Intelligent Design' Trial

AP - Science ^ | 2005-10-17 | MARTHA RAFFAELE

[RightWhale]

blood-clotting "is poorly explained by Darwinian processes but well explained by design."
I truly believe Behe has lost his mind.

Blood clotting is also a major cause of sudden death. If the clot moves to the lungs it is a pulmonary embolism, if to the heart it is a heart attack, if to the brain it is a stroke. Very common. Seems the design has some features one wouldn't expect if the purpose is to save life.

[AndrewC]

It occurs to me so many contemporary Christians want to be seen as martyrs, without of all the fuss and muss of actual martyrdom.

Again, with your mind-reading.

You're welcome. Wanna cracker-jacks medal?

The Voice of the Martyrs

The next day when he found out that Damare had sneaked away to attend a Christian church in the village he became determined to punish this boy.

The master found a large board, several rusty spikes and a hammer and dragged Damare out to the edge of his compound. He forced Damare’s legs over the board and drove the long nails through his knees and feet. Then he turned and walked away, leaving the boy laying in the field screaming from pain.

[shuckmaster]

He told a federal judge Monday that in the book, he made a scientific argument that blood-clotting "is poorly explained by Darwinian processes but well explained by design."

So, Darwinian process made the heart but it's the Flying Spaghetti Monster who causes the blood to clot? Is that what these wackos want to insert into biology class?

[Right Wing Professor]

Well, sure, take credit for poor Africans in the Sudan, if you want. Martyrdom, is after all, a scarce commodity, and needs to be exploited whereever it can be discovered.

[shuckmaster]

I know not what course others may take but as for me, no response to trolls, retards, or lunatics!

[<1/1,000,000th%]

Behe, however, argues that evolution cannot fully explain the biological complexities of life, suggesting the work of an intelligent force.

"Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other. I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen anything to make me believe there's one all-powerful force controlling everything. There's no mystical energy field that controls my destiny."

[AndrewC]

Well, sure, take credit for poor Africans in the Sudan, if you want.

Hey, guy, I don't use your tactics, I'm not taking credit. I showed real suffering, not some imagined suffering in putting one's professorship in jeopardy.

[shuckmaster]

I truly believe Behe has lost his mind.

I bet he makes more than you do. Selling charlatan books to fools is smart business.

[Senator Bedfellow]

Uhh, if you missed the point, it was to show real suffering for beliefs.

Like Nikolai Vavilov.

[js1138]

Seems the design has some features one wouldn't expect if the purpose is to save life.

Depends on your estimate of the designer's motives. Perhaps those who advocate design would like to speak to that.

When you look for human artifacts you do so with the knowledge of what you have seen humans make, and with the knowledge of how humans live and what they need to survive.

When you see a bit of chipped flint, you compare the shape to things you know to have been made by humans.

[Right Wing Professor]

I showed real suffering, not some imagined suffering in putting one's professorship in jeopardy.

Well, exactly.

[MineralMan]

That is, indeed, a horrible story. One wonders, however, what it might have to do with either evolution, ID, or creationism.

Further, how does it relate to this court case, or anything else happening in the United States of America?

[PatrickHenry]

I know not what course others may take but as for me, no response to trolls, retards, or lunatics!

I like the sound of that.

[AndrewC]

Like Nikolai Vavilov.

Yes.

[r9etb]

Eight families sued to have intelligent design removed from the biology curriculum, contending the policy essentially promotes the Bible's view of creation and therefore violates the constitutional separation of church and state.

This is the part that tickles me: the essence of the case is not "science" at all, but rather a collective of usual suspects who apparently couldn't find any Christmas carols to file suit about....

[RightWhale]

Somebody should address that. Maybe there is a greater purpose in people dropping dead in the prime of life.

[shuckmaster]

The master found a large board, several rusty spikes and a hammer

Were they irreducibly complex intelligently designed rusty spikes? I don't understand what your comments have to do with the subject of the news article.

[AndrewC]

Further, how does it relate to this court case, or anything else happening in the United States of America?

It is in response to this.

Science has been off the leash long enough. time to rein it in and show it the instruments.

[AndrewC]

Were they irreducibly complex intelligently designed rusty spikes? I don't understand what your comments have to do with the subject of the news article.

See post 58

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!