Posted on 10/17/2005 7:01:29 AM PDT by grundle
It is no "challenge" to let a baby run your life around his/her bodily functions.
There are still barbaric cultures where the adults squat whenever and wherever they please.
I guess some countries other than the USA would call this "enlightened"..I call it lazy, dirty, and disgusting.
And as for potty training, kids are developmentally ready for it around 2 for girls and 3 for boys. Remember that there are a lot of kids with autism these days, or other neurological problems; these kids (usually boys) can take longer. Kids can train really fast (in one day, sometimes), but do not disparage the ones who cannot just because you did it easily with yours. I've trained 2 out of 3 kids so far and every child is different. My son with autism simply REFUSED to use the potty until 3.5,and then was perfectly trained in one day. I guess it had to be his idea. LOL.
And all you people who are tempted to post a reply that your son was trained by nineteen months, and it's all nonsense, boys can be trained by age one-- please don't! I don't want to hear it! :)
Dawn dishwashing detergent is what's used to clean up animals from oil spills. Use a 1:70 ratio to water. This is from a organic chemist friend of mine. If that doesn't work, I'd suggest a buzz cut. It'll grow back and maybe if it bothers him enough, you can use it to convince him to stay out of the Desitin next time.
My kids were all three when they potty trained, not that I didn't try by sitting them on the toilet regularly. However, with three small kids at home at one time, it was not worth the aggrevation to fight it. They could win. When they finally trained, it was easy; they did it themselves and had virtually no accidents. It only took about a week.
Actually this is not easy. I do this with my two year old and it's been going on for six months now. The outcome is she tells me that she has a prize in her diaper after the fact. I believe I have confused the child be constantly asking " potty" "potty" "potty" 100 times a day. Anyway she still poops in pants and then she says, "it's disgusting". LOL
OOOps, sorry. I can't believe I didn't notice you said "she" and "her" BLUSH. Buzz cut won't work.
Which is perfectly fine...if one of the parents will be with the child day and night to learn the signs and be there to take the baby to the toilet.
In todays society here, which parent will be the one to give up their day job and at which point does the family file bankruptcy?
I've also found that "dandruff shampoo" (Denorex in particular) is more effective at removing motor oil than regular shampoo.
My two girls were trained at three and a half and three and a quarter. They also walked at a minimum of 14 months. No problems with them now. I guess it's just got to do with small motor control. There is a process that occurs to the nerves beginning at birth called myelination that covers the nerves with the Myelin sheath and allows the nerve impulses to travel along the nerves to their destination. If the sheath isn't there, the signal gets lost on the way. The nerves get myelinated from the brain outward which is why babies take so long to develop small motor control. There is speculation (by Drs. Moore and Moore, a husband/wife team of educators) that this is some of the "problem" with dyslexia. The optic nerve is among the last to be myelinated. That being said, it's just possible that the variation in kids being potty trained may simply be the result of the physical process of myelination and literally beyond their control. The book by Drs. Moore and Moore is called "Better Late than Early." Excellent reading for anyone interested in their childs' learning process.
I think it's worst to train babies to pee and poop in their diapers. We hear our babes cues for hunger and need for sleep, it would make sense that they also give clues for elimination. This is not easy, I do this on a part time basis w/ our 4 mo old. My reasons for doing it: he will know earlier than most toddlers where to eliminate and because I know I wouldn't like sitting in my own pee or poop...why would he?
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I am with you...both my boys were potty trained between 2 1/2 and 3 yrs of age...I did put them on the potty earlier, but they just seemed disinterested, and saying "potty, potty, potty" numerous times throughout the day were ignored...they actually did show interest by 2 1/2 yrs old, and were virtually trained within the week...
Everyone just has their own way of doing this...
I had a girlfriend whose husband always seemed neurotic to me...she explained his mom was an absolute neat freak, and could not stand baby diapers...so when her baby(my friends husband)was less than 5months old, she made him sit on his 'potty chair', and I guess the greatest part of her time was spent with the baby, trying to make him poop and pee in his 'chair', so she would not have to wash so many nasty diapers(this was long ago before the advent of disposable diapers)...I dont know about anyone else, but insisting on being potty trained around the age of 5 months is just plain nuts...
Thats just me tho...
That's the thing that elimination communication is not. It's not about forcing your baby to go, it's following their cues and in turn they will follow ours. if they don't have to go when you place them over a potty than you try again later.
Indeed, age 3 is OK for boys...it took both my boys till age 3 to be fully potty trained(bowel trained at about 2 1/2, and pee trained by 3...sorry for being so explicit, but at least with my boys, this is how it was)
There was a thread bout potty training on FR, more than a year ago, and when I explained when my boys were potty trained, and that it was more or less the time when they were ready, not when I was ready...I was promptly called a lot of nasty names from a bunch of pursed-lip, nosy parker, types, who thought their way of potty training was sent from God himself from Bible, straight to their ears...
Common sense should be the rule when potty training...when a child is ready, he is ready...for some that is earlier than others, the same as it is for sitting up, crawling, walking etc...all little ones have their own individual times when they are ready for a new skill, and when they are ready to master it, they will..(not saying that a 4 or 5 yr old still in diapers is acceptable, that probably indicates some real problem)...but it is hardly worth an argument to try to make the case that potty training being fully accomplished by age 18 months or 2 yrs or 3 yrs of age, is of some great consequence in a childs life...
My first was trickier with his "differences" (highly functioning autism) but was trained by 3.5. My second was trained AFTER his third birthday at some point.
You are doing just fine! Try the tinkle targets (baby catalogs like One Stap Ahead probably have them, or ball up some colored TP!), very fun, and after he watches Daddy do it he will want to try!
What I will never do is use pullups in the day on a regular basis. They can become a crutch. I know some kids need them at night for a while, and I can see it for long airline flights so you don't have to take too many clothing changes. But on normal days, once out of diapers, I'd use regular underpants. Good luck!!
What are people thinking?
It's funny, my 17 yr old who walked at 15 mos. and potty trained at 3 1/2 and is still somewhat uncoordinated today had a 1510 SAT score in 11th grade. I got no end of grief about potty training at the time. I talked to a psychologist friend of mine about it at the time and his opinion was, when she's ready, she's ready and he hadn't seen a kid going into kindergarten in diapers yet. Yes, I tried but I wasn't going to start a battle that I was going to lose. I didn't want her to know that she could win at something with me. She never considered a bath punishment anyway. I would have been concerned if she had gone much longer but I knew it was a will thing. Guess which I'd rather have today?
My feeling is, why worry about something that will be a non-issue by 18... or most likely 3 or 4?
How or when you were toilet trained rarely comes up during college interviews, job interviews, or even fond reminiscing!
I'm with you. I've been in situ where it was obvious to ME the baby was about to "cut loose" and the mom sat there, bovine-like, saying "oh yeah, you're right. I'll change her later."
I'm starting to research this as we're expecting our first next year. One thing I've become convinced of, judging from the availability and selection of EC consumer products being marketed by companies like Baby Bjorn:
1. This ain't new.
2. It ain't restricted to the "Third World."
3. There's plenty more bovine-like mommies out there.
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