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To: PetroniusMaximus
"As posted elswhere - some forms of slavery were willingly entered into (and many are not). "

Evidence please.

"You are painting with a broad brush. Baptism is not necessarily slavery - but some forms of have existed in capitalistic societies. "

Not necessarily?? You equated the willing exchange of goods and services with slavery. That's a Marxist talking point. The fact that slavery existed in nominally capitalist societies does not make slavery a function of capitalism. They are antagonist's. Capitalism demands the free exchange of goods and services, which can never happen under slavery.

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The how can the State take your children from you and give them to someone else? "

Because they are not the property of their birth parents either. If you beat and abuse your children you have given up your parental rights.

"You are a slave, but you don't know it."

You presume too much.

"You are a slave to sin."

As defined by you? You think slavery can be morally acceptable; I don't need lessons in morality from the likes of you.

"Just take one week of your life to commit no sin - use Matt; 5-7 as a guide for what sin is. Come back and tell me if you can do it."

Why don't you spend the time reading up on some science instead, so you won't look so foolish. Maybe you can buy a slave to do it for you.

What arrogance you creationists have.
456 posted on 10/17/2005 2:13:02 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
*** Evidence please.***

One example of slavery freely entered into is in Exodus 21
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2021%20;&version=47;



*** Not necessarily?? You equated the willing exchange of goods and services with slavery.***

Wrong. I am showing that modern societies still allow some degree of "ownership" of aspects of one individual's life by another - proof of that "ownership" being the right to deprive the "owned" one of liberty for some certain period.


***Because they are not the property of their birth parents either. If you beat and abuse your children you have given up your parental rights.***

Who bestows "parental right"? The State? For all intents and proposes, in the current socialist climate the State is handling children as property.


*** As defined by you? ***

As defined by Jesus in Matt 5, 6 & 7


*** Why don't you spend the time reading up on some science instead,***

So you decline.

It is because you know in your heart you are a slave.
461 posted on 10/17/2005 2:37:03 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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