Pa. professor [Behe] to testify in landmark case [Dover evolution trial, 16 Oct]

The Wichita Eagle ^ | 16 October 2005 | MICHAEL RUBINKAM

[Ichneumon]

God created Adam before Eve. Was Adam asexual or sexual before Eve.

And while we're at it, what kind of Intelligent Designer(tm) would create a man first, by himself, then make him a bunch of animals to serve as his "helpers", and then only later create a woman as an afterthought when the animals didn't work out? How intelligent *is* that? And just what *were* the original plans for how Adam was to reproduce?

[WildTurkey]

[RobbyS]

No really. Pascal did a perrty good book on conics when he wass, what 15? Remember: the number of people involved was a few hundred, not the tens of thousands of today.

[furball4paws]

A feathered mouse? Wow!

[Gumlegs]

After religion is injected into science class, the question then becomes, "How do we shut off all the scientific questions?"

[Matchett-PI]

Matchett-PI: "[1]What was the ad hominem attack you're accusing me of making?"

Gumlegs: "That would be in this post to this thread: 'Interesting that the major propagandists for evolution tend to be atheistic story-tellers like Richard Dawkins or ‘political animals’ like fellow atheistic anthropologist Eugenie Scott'

So you think that my accurately referring to those two activists as atheists is an ad hominem attack? Reeeally?

"The validity of a scientific theory does not stand or fall on the one's theism, or lack thereof."

That's true, but it has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote. Ding! Ding! Talk about fallacies!!! Hahaha

Matchett-PI: [2]what was the logical fallacy you're accusing me of making?"

Gumlegs: "That's a two-fer: The ad hom, quoted above, and the idea, also noted above, giving rise to the notion that the validity of a scientific theory is in some way affected by someone's belief in a deity."

BUZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. (see above)

Matchett-PI: "[3]what was the quote you're referencing?

Gumlegs: "It would be much easier to list the quotes you've posted that aren't distorted, out-of-context, or entirely fabricated."

Strike three - you're out!

Talk's cheap. You couldn't put up, so let's see if you can figure out the next step. Hahahaha

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"By nature, evolution gives rise to horrific uses."

Nonsense. Hitler was a creationist. Stalin had Darwinists killed. Marx wrote The Communist Manifesto 9 years before Darwin published. Racism, militarism, and statism all predate Darwin. Darwin himself was a moderate. free-market Whig who found slavery disgusting.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that some people have taken evolution and used it in social policy to a negative end; that in NO way counts as evidence against the theory from a scientific standpoint. Just as I don't think that creationism leads to a pro-slavery position just because a creationist on a different thread said that slavery was not a moral issue and was not wrong. And the fact the voices of the other creationists condemning him were deafening in the silence.

[Gumlegs]

Or a furry bird. Take your pick.

[WildTurkey]

And just what *were* the original plans for how Adam was to reproduce?

Lilith, the Snake ...

[cornelis]

How liberal of you.

As in liberal arts? The liberal arts model of collegiate education is undermined by specialization.

[furball4paws]

Well, there goes the dinosaur/bird transition.

[curiosity]

Proof that they were asexual. They did NOT go forth, be fruitful and multiply before the fall.

Uh...how is that proof? Even if they had marital relations at exactly the right time of the month, there's still a good chance she doesn't get pregnant. And the Bible doesn't say whether they had marital relations before the fall.

[narby]

Behe finds community in a Web group that he says includes like-minded faculty from other universities. Most keep their views to themselves, Behe said, because "it's dangerous to your career to be identified as an ID proponent."

In other words, Behe is the only tenured IDer. Because if any of his correspondents got tenure, they would have no reason to keep quiet.

I've got to assume that there are very few IDers on tenure tracks.

[PatrickHenry]

Thread hijacked by one whackjob, placemarker.

[cornelis]

Scientific rationalism also gives rise to horrific uses. The fact that our human experience gives evidence of evil is no small joke.

[WildTurkey]

After religion is injected into science class, the question then becomes, "How do we shut off all the scientific questions?"

You don't remember those days in Sunday School when the instructor gave those evil looks when 'little Johnny' started to raise his had in the middle of the Jonah and the Whale story?

[Doctor Stochastic]

Before or after her divorce from Fraser?

[furball4paws]

Only one?

[Gumlegs]

So you think that my accurately referring to those two activists as atheists is an ad hominem attack? Reeeally?

When you inject "atheist" and use it as a perjoritive, into a discussion of a scientific theory, yes, it's ad hominem.

That's true, but it has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote. Ding! Ding! Talk about fallacies!!! Hahaha

Really? Then what you wrote would appear to be utterly pointless. Sorry. I'm won't make the mistake again of assuming you have a point.

I will also not make that mistake with the rest of your post.

[Gumlegs]

So you think that my accurately referring to those two activists as atheists is an ad hominem attack? Reeeally?

When you inject "atheist" and use it as a perjoritive, into a discussion of a scientific theory, yes, it's ad hominem.

That's true, but it has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote. Ding! Ding! Talk about fallacies!!! Hahaha

Really? Then what you wrote would appear to be utterly pointless. Sorry. I'm won't make the mistake again of assuming you have a point.

I will also not make that mistake with the rest of your post.