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"I would imagine to non-scientists a lot of science and technology sounds like so much magic," he said. "Is it any surprise that so many people are choosing one kind of magic over another kind of magic?"

Wow. Evolution is being compared to magic? That is a step in the right direction....

I'm betting Leonard is being 'counseled' not to be using this metaphor anymore. Any takers?

The fact that museums now feel driven to install 'permanent' exhibits is a good sign ... for the promoters of I.D.

1 posted on 10/16/2005 12:02:34 PM PDT by gobucks
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2 posted on 10/16/2005 12:03:06 PM PDT by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/Laocoon.htm)
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To: gobucks

This article is going to open up a can of worms:)--who will evolve into flying dragons.


3 posted on 10/16/2005 12:06:17 PM PDT by moog
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To: gobucks
Wow. Evolution is being compared to magic? That is a step in the right direction....

No. He means science and technology sound like magic to a lot of people and that they are not choosing science.

But that's fine by me. I don't care if people believe it's magic.

What's infuriating is to see so many people ignore the success of one kind of magic (science) and overlook the failures of religious magic, like the incantation, "in the name of Jesus...".

"In the name of Jesus", didn't put man on the moon, it didn't wipe out smallpox, it didn't sequence the genome, it didn't allow voices and data to travel thousands of miles around the world in milliseconds.

Science is the magic that works. Most other magic is a failure.

4 posted on 10/16/2005 12:11:16 PM PDT by mc6809e
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To: gobucks
Wow. Evolution is being compared to magic? That is a step in the right direction....

Isaac Asimov once remarked that sufficiently advanced technology would seem indistinguishable from magic to less advanced people. That's not a far cry from the arguements on the crevo threads. There is so much science in the world today. The innovations and applications of those ideas have created remarkable tecnological advances. Sadly, education has not kept up sufficiently for the average person to understand these innovations. That makes scientific advances seem like magic to the uneducated. On that basis, other supernatural explanations and invocations are given equal footing with scientific achievements. To the uneducated public, they don't seem any different. Hence the willingness of school boards and politicians to treat ID and evolution on equal footing. They are ignorant of what evolution means and the facts that science has used to construct this theory.

5 posted on 10/16/2005 12:17:12 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: gobucks

They still don't get it, that honest intelligent people can disagree on conclusions based on the facts at hand. The most depressing thing for me is that Science is becoming even more about protecting an ideology than about seeking truth. The same can be said for current big bang cosmology. The reason that so many are running scared trying to get their propaganda straight is that they know that there are huge gaps in what people think is settled as far as evolution is concerned and what isn't settled. Most public school science books still refer to things that are highly questionable and many times patently false but these same proponents are more concerned that children may be exposed to thinking about the possibility of alternatives to accepted evolutionary thinking than presenting an accurate account of current research into evolution.


8 posted on 10/16/2005 12:27:00 PM PDT by Ma3lst0rm (Fools will not acknowledge the limits of their knowledge.)
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To: gobucks
The battle between Evolutionist and those who support Intelligent Design, needs to be understood in terms of the Culture War.

Those who delight in pushing God out of the equation, are having to face those who want this country to have a moral backbone.

If life is just an accidental mish-mash of carbon, whats the big whoop in aborting an unwanted baby?

Evolutionist are seen as representing the Godless left in academia, in the same boat as the elitist in the MSN. Scientific American fired it's Amateur Scientist columnist for being a Christian.

The whole argument really has nothing to do with fossils or biology.

The backlash and the repulsion felt towards Evolutionists is because of the the values they bring to the culture wars.

9 posted on 10/16/2005 12:31:37 PM PDT by Mark was here (How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
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To: gobucks

I doubt leonard has been critisized about those comments, except by idiots.

The fact is, some people consider things they don't understand magic.


11 posted on 10/16/2005 12:38:47 PM PDT by inrefutable evidence
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To: gobucks

Hey, just like idiots claim things they don't understand as acts of God.


12 posted on 10/16/2005 12:39:15 PM PDT by inrefutable evidence
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32 posted on 10/16/2005 1:54:58 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: gobucks
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" Arthur C Clarke.

And to CreaIDs barely able to understand the operation of a hammer, all science looks like magic.

72 posted on 10/16/2005 6:56:31 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Paging Nehemiah Scudder:the Crazy Years are peaking. America is ready for you.)
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To: gobucks
Wow. Evolution is being compared to magic? That is a step in the right direction....

"I carried with me some promethean matches, which I ignited by biting; it was thought so wonderful that a man should strike fire with his teeth, that it was usual to collect the whole family to see it"

...

"When he read, however, my passport, which began with "El Naturalista Don Carlos," his respect and civility were as unbounded as his suspicions ahd been before."

Charles Darwin, in South America

73 posted on 10/16/2005 7:05:03 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: gobucks

i guess the big question is whether the museums are going to design their displays very carefully or just throw something together to see what happens over time...


teeman


75 posted on 10/16/2005 7:40:09 PM PDT by teeman8r (one in a million... so there's 6000 people somewhere on earth just like me...)
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To: gobucks
We just haven't made the effort to communicate evolution to people in terms they can understand.

ROFL. I'm going to tear up laughing. "We aren't getting our message out." BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. They've monopolized the conversation for how long now?!!! Everyone knows the message and has had detail after detail of it crammed down their throats. They've been abused with it, beaten senseless with it; but, just like good old liberal Democrats, when nobody has use for their drivel, they are dumbfounded "We aren't getting our message out." Well, heck. It worked for the Dims of one stripe didn't it.. PUUUUUHHHHHLEASE get your message out. In my best Rush Limbaugh voice I'm begging you to give us more of your message. If the trackrecord of the Dims is anything to go on, You'll destroy yourselves faster than we could hope.

85 posted on 10/17/2005 4:10:40 AM PDT by Havoc (King George and President George. Coincidence?)
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I don't see why one can't believe in God and Science. Many religions have different theories and interpretations but have one giant meaning, I don't see why Science can't have it's own interpretation without everyone saying they are leaving God out of the equation.


94 posted on 10/17/2005 6:33:54 AM PDT by md2576 (Don't be such a Shehan Hugger!)
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To: gobucks

LOL... the condescension in this article is hilarious.


168 posted on 10/19/2005 9:52:46 AM PDT by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
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To: gobucks
Between lefty lunatics and those who close their minds to science, my kids are going to be rich fleecing the foolish of their cash... thank everyone for widdling down competition in the market place for my future children, and supplying the nation with a steady supply of future manual laborers to fix my kids plumbing and polyurethane caulking around the windows.
225 posted on 10/21/2005 11:00:56 PM PDT by Porterville (Pray for War)
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