65% Say Miers Confirmation Likely

Rasmussen Reports ^ | 10/13/2005 | Rasmussen

[KMAJ2]

I find it quite interesting our anti-Miers crowd in here are part of the 17%, not the 54% majority of Republcians who support this nomination. And which group are they most closely aligned to ? The 39% of democrats who oppose her nomination, only 17% of democrats support her nomination. So the anti-Miers crowd in FR are delivering for the democrats, way to go, you should be proud. Cutting off your noses to spite your face.

The democrats screw up and give conservatives a gift horse, and they are to ideologically entrenched to realize it.

Wake up, the democrats only put her on the list so they could say they gave Bush conservative options, they never expected he would nominate her. Only a fool would believe that the democrats seriously would want a pro-life, evangelical Christian conservative on the Supreme Court. Do you think NARAL and other left wing special interest groups would not rebel against the democrats ? The right have a chance to fracture the democrat base, and guarantee power for quite some time, instead blind ideologues cannot see beyond the here and now, they have no big picture vision.

What is sickening, is the anti-Miers crowd is carrying the water for them and allowing them to skate. Instead our right wingers are acting like left wingers with their lynch mob mentality and ideological tunnelvision. They are coming off as the mean-spirited ones, the democrats get to play the good guy role. They don't even have the civil decency to watch her in hearings to make a determination, they are in an almost psychotic rush to judgement. Opening and swallowing the opinions of people who don't even know her over those who do.

Some conservatives are showing they are no smarter than the progressive left and are just as self-destructive.

[Ninian Dryhope]

"Instead our right wingers are acting like left wingers with their lynch mob mentality and ideological tunnelvision."

They are also acting like left wingers in their intellectually dishonest attacks on the President, their mean-spirited name calling, and their refusal to take practical politics into account.

[SkyPilot]

This Rasmussen poll is several days old and has been trotted out by the "I Heart Miers" crowd at least three times now.

This FOX News Poll is more recent by two days to the Rasmussen poll, and it is not quite so in your favor.

Neither is this GOPUSA poll.

What are your thoughts on the nomination of Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court?

I will wait for the hearings and make my decision after I hear what Miers says. -- 16%

Miers is qualified. Many good Supreme Court justices did not have previous judicial experience. -- 13%

I trust the president's judgment that she is a constitutional constructionist. -- 28%

The president had many better choices, and he should have picked one of them. -- 20%

Miers is unqualified, and the president should withdraw her nomination. -- 4%

Miers is unqualified, and she should withdraw her own name from consideration. -- 17%

[NapkinUser]

"So the anti-Miers crowd in FR are delivering for the democrats...."

Guilt by association is a pretty lame argument.

[SamAdams76]

Just goes to show that all the self-important know-it-alls who raised all that ruckus don't know much of anything at all.

They all piled on this here middle-aged woman who led a decent life just because she wasn't one of the "beautiful people" who went to Ivy League schools, made the CNN Crossfire circuit, and vacationed on Martha Vineyard with people who write self-important books and papers.

It does not matter to me that Harriet Miers never ate caviar and drank from an $800 bottle of wine at some fancy D.C. restaurant. It also does not matter to me that Harriet Miers never went on a speaking tour with people like Robert Bork.

It also does not say in our Constitution that with respect to important jobs like Supreme Court justices, that plain, simple folk need not apply.

[KMAJ2]

Apples and oranges, SkyPilot. Where is the republican and democrat breakdown in those polls ? Your GOPUSA poll is actually more friendly then Rasmussen on the same question, Rasmussen had 32% for and 28% against with a 40% undecided, your GOPUSA poll has 41% supporting with 21% thinking it should be withdrawn. You would be twisting facts if you tried to include the 20% who thought he should have picked someone else in the anti-Miers crowd. I think he should have picked Estrada, but I am not narrow-minded and can see the big picture.

And your FOX Poll actually mirros Rasmussen quite closely. Did you even read it ?

37% to 32% with 31% unsure - FOX
32% to 28% with 40% unsure - Rasmussen

57% of republicans support - FOX
54% of republicans support - Rasmussen

"A 37 percent plurality of Americans say they would vote to confirm Miers to replace retiring Justice Sandra Day O'Connor (search), 32 percent say they would vote against her and 31 percent are unsure. For comparison, in polling conducted the week after Roberts' nomination, 51 percent said they would vote for him and 19 percent against (30 percent unsure).

Among Republicans, 57 percent say they would vote for Miers, down 17 percentage points from the 74 percent that said they would vote for Roberts (July 26-27). Support for Miers among Democrats is 12 points less than it was for Roberts. It should be noted there is no gender gap on support for Miers as both men and women are equally likely to say they would confirm her. -- FOX"

SO our hard core righties on here, with their pack mentality, are unwittingly carrying the load for the democrats and making conservatives, as a whole, look bad and mean spirited in the process.

[billclintonwillrotinhell]

It does not matter to me that Harriet Miers never ate caviar and drank from an $800 bottle of wine at some fancy D.C. restaurant.

Oh, brother.

[CindyDawg]

I'm still trying to figure out what it is that some concervatives don't like. Is it because she's a Christian and believes the Bible? I don't see how that's bad.

[KMAJ2]

[["So the anti-Miers crowd in FR are delivering for the democrats...."

Guilt by association is a pretty lame argument.]]

Try guilt by truth, you are carrying their water for democrats. They don't have to lift a finger, their base does not support her, and in the process, you are making all conservatives look bad, petty and mean-spirited. If you could take of your ideological blinders, there is a world of truth out there, things are never pure black and white.

[alloysteel]

Harriet Miers is a wedge issue.

And like an old-fashioned wood-splitting wedge, the issue will split the Republican party much like a block of wood. For those of you who have worked up a pile of firewood, you understand the analogy.

There are those who believe her life experiences (socially conservative Christian, something of a pioneer in leadership among females in Texas politics, shift in viewpoint from one-time Dem'crat to a Bush Republican, being part of the team that vetted other judicial nominees) fit her for the Supreme Court. Others say this is irrelevant, that she has neither the training or depth of experience to adequately carry out the duties of a Justice. And besides, there are some Dem'crats who view the nomination favorably, and she should be suspect for just that reason.

One suspects that George W. Bush nominated Harriet Miers just to test these schisms within the Republican party, to define which way the consensus will be going two, three, five years from now, as he winds down his term of office. At the moment his clearest successor in office is Herself, no Republicans have emerged as yet. And in the fickle heart of the American electorate, there are those who consider it only "fair" that the Dem'crat nominee get a shot at governing again, even to the point of destroying the somewhat precarious edge the Republicans now enjoy in the legislative and executive branches. "You are either with us, or against us" takes on a whole new depth of meaning in the domestic agenda.

The Dem'crat party has become largely irrelevant, in the two-party system, because of the widening divide within the Republicans, essentially becoming a divergence and taking over all the functions of pro and con within the party itself. One wing is ruggedly individualistic, the other is socialist-lite, a substitute Dem'crat party that is trying to make socialism palatable, but on a paying basis.

Taking the socialist track didn't work in 1920, and it won't work today. No matter how much lipstick you put on that pig, it still frightens and enrages the Muslim jihadists.

[billclintonwillrotinhell]

So the anti-Miers crowd in FR are delivering for the democrats,

So was George Will just supposed to drink some White House Kool-Aid and shut up? Should Ann Coulter have skipped writing columns the last two weeks just out of fear that all the Bushies out there might get their feathers ruffled?

I love the fact that there are conservatives out there who actually think for themselves and don't support a president just because he says TRUST ME or just because he insultingly points out his nominee is religious.

And now you're selectively reciting poll numbers to try to prove your point? Since when do we determine what is right and what is wrong by referring to public-opinion polls? If you had brought poll numbers into Ronald Reagan's office on something like this, he would've drop-kicked you out onto the sidewalk so fast, you wouldn't know what hit you.

[SkyPilot]

Apples and oranges?

What about this poll with thousands of responses:

Should the Harriet Miers nomination be withdrawn?

Yes (54%)
No (46%)

14102 total votes

Will the Miers nomination help the Republicans or hurt them?

Hurt (48%)
Neither (36%)
Help (16%)

9961 total votes

Moreover, I did read the poll from FOX, and you left the key analysis of it, while trying to emphasize the raw numbers to support your case.

Did you read them?

she receives far less support than Chief Justice John Roberts (search) did at the time of his nomination

It is fairly clear from the high 'undecideds' on many questions that most people have little knowledge about Miers or the Supreme Court," comments Opinion Dynamics Chairman John Gorman. "They’re taking their cues from the political and media elites and it is the immediate skepticism of many of those elites that has damaged support for Miers. Furthermore, the fact that some of those skeptics have been Republican and conservative has hurt Miers even more.

Miers' lack of judicial experience is a problem with many Americans. A 55-percent majority thinks all Supreme Court justices should have prior judicial experience, compared to about a third (35 percent) that think it is a good idea for some justices not to have previous experience as a judge.

But you will believe what you want to believe. You posted this thread to try to "sell" Miers to FR and the members here.

Many of us ain't buying.

[billclintonwillrotinhell]

I'm still trying to figure out what it is that some concervatives don't like. Is it because she's a Christian and believes the Bible? I don't see how that's bad.

I don't see how that's relevant. For the president to bring it up in an apparent attempt to win over conservatives is disgusting and gives a ton of ammunition to Democrats who have always said Republicans inject religion into government far too often.

[SkyPilot]

I'm still trying to figure out what it is that some concervatives don't like. Is it because she's a Christian and believes the Bible? I don't see how that's bad.

Are you serious CindyDawg?

You do realize that many of us conservatives are Evangelical Christians, don't you?

The main reason to oppose her is that there is almost no evidence she is a conservative.

Please read National Review's editorial.

[Neville72]

"If you had brought poll numbers into Ronald Reagan's office on something like this, he would've drop-kicked you out onto the sidewalk so fast, you wouldn't know what hit you."


BWWAAAHAHAHAHA! That's exactly what GWB's doing to you Miers haters. He could care less what the polls say or what you say or what the bitch, Coulter or the scribbler, Will says. It's his pick plain and simple and no amount of whining and moaning from the Children of the Corn wing can change that.

[billclintonwillrotinhell]

If Miers is really a strong conservative as all the Bush loyalists suggest, it's the Democrats who are in a bind. If Democrats vote for her or fail to stop her and she sides with Scalia and Thomas on key rulings, it's the Democrat base that will be depressed going into the 2006 and/or 2008 elections.

Miers is a blank slate who doesn't have anywhere near the peer respect or legal qualifications that John Roberts had. Conservatives should hold her feet to the fire. If she and the president can't handle the heat in this kitchen, she should withdraw and he should find a new line of work. Maybe let Cheney serve out the term and choose a nominee who doesn't provoke more laughter than applause.

[billclintonwillrotinhell]

BWWAAAHAHAHAHA! That's exactly what GWB's doing to you Miers haters. He could care less what the polls say or what you say or what the bitch, Coulter or the scribbler, Will says.

So you think Coulter's a dog and George Will is a scribbler, eh? I guess that explains your pathetic judgment on the Miers nomination in general.

[KMAJ2]

[[I love the fact that there are conservatives out there who actually think for themselves and don't support a president just because he says TRUST ME or just because he insultingly points out his nominee is religious.]]

I would daresay I have put more thought into it than your pack mentality rhetoric and regurgitating some pundits lines. Who said anyone should shut up, you are free to keep carrying the democrats water for them and paint conservatives as mean-spirited and petty, while they sit back and laugh at you. Does Will know Miers ? Does Coulter ? Sorry, any thinking person will put more credibility into the words of those who know a person. You might want to see who is putting something in your tap water.

Unlike you, I haven't pre-judged and swalowed spin. If she falls on her face in the hearings, I will be calling for her nomination oto be withdrawn or be defeated. Unlike you, I have no litmus test because I believe in the Constitution. The President nominates, the nominee gets a hearing, the Senate rejects or consents based upon what comes out of the hearings and what they hear from their constituents (and, of course, their special interest groups, wouldn't want to forget them).

Keep carrying the water for the fringe left, it is a free country, you have that right. But don't go painting a deluded picture that democrats are irrelevant yet. The margin of 2% in the last election shows they are not quite cooked yet, and you are letting them climb out of the oven. Power has to be used wisely, not to be used as a bludgeon, or you will quickly lose that power. The public will never accept wholesale changes all at once, it has to be gradual and accomplished over a period of time. The deomcrats did not lead this country down the socialist path in one fell swoop, but gradually over half a century, starting with Woodrow Wilson and the Income tax and federal reserve in 1913 through LBJs albatross Great Society program of the mid 60s. You do not reverse 50 to 80 years of programming in 5 years or even 10 years. It is a measured pace that wins the distance race, not the sprinter.

[NapkinUser]

"I'm still trying to figure out what it is that some concervatives don't like. Is it because she's a Christian and believes the Bible? I don't see how that's bad."

Oh Cindy. We've been through this. Stevens, Kennedy, Souter, Breyer and O'Connor are all Christians. Are they your idea of good judges?

Ginsburg is the worst judge of all, but she is of the Jewish faith, so that's why I didn't include her in the above list.

[NapkinUser]

"BWWAAAHAHAHAHA! That's exactly what GWB's doing to you Miers haters. He could care less what the polls say or what you say or what the bitch, Coulter or the scribbler, Will says. It's his pick plain and simple and no amount of whining and moaning from the Children of the Corn wing can change that."

How mature.

SHE WILL BE CONFIRMED, SHE WILL, SHE WILL, SHE WILL! I HATE YOU!