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Did Bush promise to appoint a justice like [in the mold of] Scalia? Have we been misled?
Media Matters ^ | October 13, 2005 | - J.F.

Posted on 10/15/2005 3:15:52 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: Congressman Billybob
I suggest, as many others have said, to wait for the hearings on Miers to see whether she is in the Scalia-Thomas mold.

The Bush haters and knee-jerk reactionaries don't care about the hearings. Their minds were made up ahead of time, most probably before the nomination was announced.

41 posted on 10/15/2005 3:37:17 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Cindy Sheehan, Pat Buchanan, John Conyers, and David Duke Are Just Different Sides of the Same Coin.)
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To: jstolzen
He said it at EVERY rally, in EVERY city.

No, actually he did not say it at EVERY rally in EVERY city.

42 posted on 10/15/2005 3:37:21 PM PDT by jess35
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To: Jim Robinson

I think it's more important that SC justices be strict constructionists who won't legislate from the bench than that they be clones of any individual person.


43 posted on 10/15/2005 3:37:33 PM PDT by alnick
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To: Rokke; jstolzen
"Your completely unsupported statement is factually incorrect. I attended four Bush rallies and NEVER heard him say such a thing."

Do either of you recall the exact dates and places you respectively attended Bush rallies?

44 posted on 10/15/2005 3:37:34 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: Jim Robinson

I'm no expert on Miers, but there some fairly important people out there who are less than enthused with this selection.

In general, I would say that it would have been far better for a person to have been nominated that the conservatives could join in unity behind. The herding cats theory aside, a majority of conservatives should be able to back this president's selection. Other than the die-hard Bush supporter, I'm not getting the impression that conservatives are behind this appointment.

The long term conservative position has been that if no other reasion existed, Bush was most importantly going to change the makeup of the court. He was going to appoint rock solid conservatives to the SCOTUS.

I don't have to be an expert to question whether Miers is a rock solid conservative. I just don't get that impression, when confronted with her past. Her past legal and political activities are about all we have to go on, since she has not been prolific and hasn't sat as a judge.

Have we been misled. If the president truly thinks she's conservative, no. Have we been let down? Possibly so.

I cannot support Miers' nomination over a number of folks out there with proven track records. Miers is who Bush chose for the SCOTUS. I am fairly confident he will push this nomination as far as he can. I would think less of him if he didn't.

I do not think this will wind up well, but I've been wrong before.

For the superlative things that Bush as done as President, it's sad to know that at this point in time, his minuses are poised to be every bit as prominent as his pluses.

If Harriet Miers turns out to be another Souter, President Bush will have missed what some thought was his one true calling.

The left is on a rampage judicialy. What they couldn't accomplish at the polls, the are trying to achieve by judicial fiat. The SCOTUS is our last defense against that. Failing to make it as sound with regard to Constitutional law as it could be, could well be fatal to a number of the issues conservatives hold dear.


45 posted on 10/15/2005 3:37:42 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: The Red Zone
Do you suppose she'll use differential equations to cogitate a landmark decision on the constitutionality of hate crimes legislation?
46 posted on 10/15/2005 3:38:13 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: jstolzen
I was at one of the W pre-election rallies, and heard the line: "I will appoint justices in the mold of Scalia and Thomas".
Then you should be able to search up some video of the rally that you attended, or any of Bush's rallies, to support your statement. This is too important for us to rely on anyone's memory.
48 posted on 10/15/2005 3:38:21 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: AmishDude

One of the thing I remmebered about MM is it's fallacious "proof" that Hannity and Colmes is right biased because each episode Hannity say more words on average than Colmes.

Sure, that's an excellent way to measure bias..


49 posted on 10/15/2005 3:39:03 PM PDT by Killborn (Pres. Bush isn't Pres. Reagan. Then again, Pres. Regan isn't Pres. Washington. God bless them all.)
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To: The Red Zone

You're probably counting Differential Equations, which many of us don't consider to be calculus per se. But the math major does much more. Calculus is barely a speck.


50 posted on 10/15/2005 3:40:03 PM PDT by AmishDude (If Miers isn't qualified, neither are you and you have no right to complain about any SC decision.)
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To: JCEccles

Boolean algebra would be better suited there.


51 posted on 10/15/2005 3:40:07 PM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: dc-zoo

Yeah, I think I found that reference. Bush didn't say it, Kerry did. And Bush didn't correct him on it.


52 posted on 10/15/2005 3:41:51 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: xzins
In any case, even if he did say Scalia, he knows Miers and we don't, so she might well be both a constructionist and a Scalia wannabe.

Here's an interesting snippet:

``We'd be talking about somebody's background,'' said Leonard Leo, now on leave as executive vice president of the Federalist Society, the conservative group whose headlined speakers have included Supreme Court justices and Bush administration official.

``There would be a moment of silence when she was clearly thinking about what was being said and then she would challenge it, asking, 'But what specifically in those opinions strongly suggests that this is someone who ascribes to judicial restraint?''' Leo said.

53 posted on 10/15/2005 3:41:58 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Keith in Iowa
And we're also being mislead by certain conservatives who are p*ssed that Bush has not appointed a conservatvie version of Souter.

Who on earth would be " a conservative version of Souter." Wouldn't such a person have to appointed as a Liberal by a Democrat and turn out to be a Conservative. Come to think of it, I don't think that has ever happened to the Liberals; when they appoint a Liberal, they get a Liberal. It is only the Conservatives that appoint a Conservative and get a Liberal.

54 posted on 10/15/2005 3:43:07 PM PDT by TheHound (You would be paranoid too - if everyone was out to get you.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Yeah, that was it. Thanks for clearing that up.


55 posted on 10/15/2005 3:43:22 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: Jim Robinson

Can you post the exact quote here for verification/edification?


56 posted on 10/15/2005 3:44:14 PM PDT by Killborn (Pres. Bush isn't Pres. Reagan. Then again, Pres. Regan isn't Pres. Washington. God bless them all.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
I suggest, as many others have said, to wait for the hearings on Miers to see whether she is in the Scalia-Thomas mold.

And, of course, if she gives that impression in the hearings, she will be a constitutionist on the court, right?

57 posted on 10/15/2005 3:44:28 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Killborn
Correct. Whereas MRC is dedicated to exposing media bias, MM covers it up and say "Liberal media? What liberal media?"

They are also the ones who will take quotes by conservatives like Bill Bennet, Rush, Hannity, etc., use just a small bit of what they actually say, and then try to get the MSM to run a hit piece. This is how the Bill Bennet garbage started.

58 posted on 10/15/2005 3:45:00 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Cindy Sheehan, Pat Buchanan, John Conyers, and David Duke Are Just Different Sides of the Same Coin.)
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To: Jim Robinson
JR,

Conservatives have to realize...

Our country was sliding deeper into the cesspool of socialism from the late '50's on. The "Great Society" was a pivotal point. We became even more socialist. Nixon/Kissenger and the china trip helped it along. (although in retrosect I think that was a >fairly< wise move.

Nixon's removal and the Ford administration began moving power from the execuvtive to the legislative and judical branches of government.

Carter increased our slide into socialism.

THANK GOD FOR RONALD REAGAN!

The Gipper along with conservatives both pubbie and rat threw out the anchor. The slide into socialism wasn't stopped but for once we had ground...a goal...the shining city on the hill...that conservatives of all persuasions could aim for.

The Clinton years almost undid that.

Then came W. Not exactly a consrevative but he grabbed onto the line RR tossed out. He slowed the pace. He's not exactly the in your face kinda consrvative I would like to see, but overall he's done a good job in slowing socialism.

I disagree with W on many points...immigration, NAFTA/CAFTA, eonaomy, ... and tons of other stuff.

But overall - especially considering 9-11, NOLA and TONS of other stuff - he's doing a decent job in keeping us from the evils of socialism.

AS conservatives we have to work from the bottom up. I believe that's the constitutional way.

W is no conservative...he's helped slow things but is no RR.

WE have to look ahead...WAY AHEAD...way past when I'm gone...the late teens early '20's. That's what conservatives should be aiming for.

Sadly I think most don't quite get it.

BTW, Thanks for the soapbox.

prisoner6

59 posted on 10/15/2005 3:45:03 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the left fall out!)
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To: DoughtyOne
there some fairly important people out there who are less than enthused with this selection.

Important people? Would that be like....elite people, special people? The same people who tell us that unless we're lawyers, we're too uneducated to read and understand the Constitution?

You can follow the "important" people if you like. They're just one opinion out of a multitude.

60 posted on 10/15/2005 3:45:15 PM PDT by jess35
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