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Mysterious 'half-animal, half-plant' marine microbe discovered by Japanese researchers
Mainichi Daily News (Japan - Excerpt) ^ | October 14, 2005

Posted on 10/13/2005 8:46:39 PM PDT by HAL9000

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To: furball4paws

Let's wait. Too many threads are active just now.


41 posted on 10/14/2005 10:28:34 AM PDT by PatrickHenry ( I won't respond to a troll, crackpot, retard, or incurable ignoramus.)
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To: Ichneumon
Yes, but understanding *why* vaccines work, *how* they work, and more importantly, how pathogens eventually bypass the vaccinations and new preventative measures are required (and how to slow down the process so that we can keep one step ahead of the pathogens) are all subjects that rely heavily upon an intimate understanding of evolution and how it operates in the real world, because both the body's immune system reponse, and the response of pathogens to antibiotics and vaccines, both operate via evolution.

No Evolution Theology is not at all required for an understanding of any of the above. The How and Why is pure biology and/or organic chemistry enhanced by technology innovations that have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with ET. No the study of pathogenic response instead owes everything to Mendel's genetics and nothing to ET.

42 posted on 10/14/2005 10:31:18 AM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: b_sharp
Well I guess we'll have to make sure you get the 1796 vaccine while the rest of us get vaccines developed through the understanding of evolution.

No antibiotics or vaccines were developed through the understanding of Evolution Theology.

43 posted on 10/14/2005 10:40:47 AM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1

Correct, especially since Evolution is not Theology, as you well know. I suggest you read some of the recent threads concerning the 1918 flu epidemic and its influenza strain and the new concerns about the Bird Flu and the threads that anti influenza drugs are losing effectiveness due to the evolution of influenza strains. Then you might just see how evolution affects vaccine manufacture. Maybe, just maybe a few facts will help you from making false blanket statements based on ignorance.


44 posted on 10/14/2005 12:14:52 PM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: b_sharp

And the use of pre-1859 antibiotics.


45 posted on 10/14/2005 12:28:19 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: HAL9000
At least it explains Helen Thomas.....

Half Stinkweed and half Sigmund the Sea Monster.

46 posted on 10/14/2005 12:29:55 PM PDT by HP8753 (My cat is an NTSB Standard,The Naval Observatory calls me for time corrections.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
"And the use of pre-1859 antibiotics."

For all those nasty bugs from before 1859 that didn't feel it necessary to evolve.

47 posted on 10/14/2005 12:36:35 PM PDT by b_sharp (Making a monkey of a creationist should be a natural goal.)
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To: HAL9000
"I think the discovery of the 'half-animal, half-plant' microbe shows part of the process of single-cell marine microbes evolving into plants," Prof. Isao Inoue, a member of the research team, said.

Animacules!

48 posted on 10/14/2005 12:50:30 PM PDT by Itzlzha ("The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote")
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To: furball4paws

I know about the 1918 influenza. The virus doesn't evolve at all. We just develop vaccines for different strains of the same virus. A virus does not evolve into anything else at all. It doesn't aquire any new capabilities beyond that which it does not already have. While the possible permutations of some virii are quite great they are in fact FINITE. Evolution Theology is the mistaken belief that life evolves into another form of life.


49 posted on 10/14/2005 3:07:32 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: HAL9000

Godzilla?


50 posted on 10/14/2005 3:08:32 PM PDT by toddlintown (Your papers please.)
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To: Itzlzha

Antonie van Leeuwenhoek would love it.


51 posted on 10/14/2005 4:45:38 PM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
We just develop vaccines for different strains of the same virus.

Exactly what do you mean by "strain"?

52 posted on 10/14/2005 4:50:06 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1

The theory of Evolution predicts that organisms will recombine and produce new "strains" "species" with new characteristics. The changes in influenza are from genetic recombination between strains. Where do you think the new strains come from? Is HIV a different "species" from the chimp immunodeficiency virus? (if there is such a thing as species with viruses).

Are they just hiding under a rock and jump out periodically and say Boo?

These changes lead to a change in vaccine production. The TOE helps researchers predict what new changes can be expected. The TOE is the big tent under which all Biology operates. You can hand wave it away but there's practically no field of Biology and related disciplines that are not covered.


53 posted on 10/14/2005 4:52:54 PM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: furball4paws
The theory of Evolution predicts that organisms will recombine and produce new "strains" "species" with new characteristics. The changes in influenza are from genetic recombination between strains.

Genetic recombination is not evolution theology, it is smple genetic theory (ala Mendel). Evolution theology is belief in random mutation inserts new information from nothing (or monkey totem diety). Mutation causes information lossage.

54 posted on 10/14/2005 5:15:22 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: js1138
Exactly what do you mean by "strain"?

The same virus with different genetic sequences turned on or turned off.

55 posted on 10/14/2005 5:22:23 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1

Could you give a physical description of how the same virus can have genetic sequences turned on or off?


56 posted on 10/14/2005 5:25:45 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: js1138
Could you give a physical description of how the same virus can have genetic sequences turned on or off?

Sure some influenza virii have red hair, long legs, and enormous tits. Other influenza virii have blond hair, hairy legs, and big noses. Those are metaphors for characteristics of influenza virii. The red haired virii's blond sequence is recombinatively recessive. There are FINITE recombinative possibilities. At no point does an influenza virus suddenly sprout wings or eyeballs or tails and become an aids virus or paramecium. It is what it is and thats all that it is just as God created it to be.

57 posted on 10/14/2005 5:45:29 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1

How does a virus carry ressive traits, and how does it engage in recombination?


58 posted on 10/14/2005 5:49:45 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: js1138
How does a virus carry ressive traits, and how does it engage in recombination?

Viral sexual habits are notoriously deviant. Some of them unwind themselves and roll around in the protein cleavage of a cell, often touching themselves repeatedly.

59 posted on 10/14/2005 6:09:09 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1

As I understand your response, changes in viral genomes are not evolution because you've held you breath till you turned blue.


60 posted on 10/14/2005 6:12:27 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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