Dover players prepare for Supreme Court [Penna evolution trial]

The York Dispatch ^ | 10 October 2005 | CHRISTINA KAUFFMAN

[PatrickHenry]

This is a break from the typical round of daily threads on this trial. Here is an article that examines the likely outcome in the Supreme Court.

Still, to keep the number of threads down, it's best to post daily trial news in this one thread.

[PatrickHenry]

EvolutionPing

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[PatrickHenry]

Here's a link to a website that has readable trial transcripts (converted to browser-useable HTML): Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District.

[Vaquero]

Roberts being RC has no problem separating science from religion. I see this as not an issue for the continuation of the teahing of evolution as the only (and rightly so) scientific explanation of where the human race came from.

[PatrickHenry]

Some of the litigation links from The List-O-Links:

Eight Significant Court Decisions.
The Evolution Controversy. Scopes trial and some Supreme Court cases.
Freiler v Tangipahoa Parish Board of Education. Louisiana school's evolution disclaimer decision.
Tangipahoa Parish Board of Education v. Freiler. US Sup Ct denied certiorari, Rehnquist, Scalia & Thomas dissenting.
Selman v. Cobb County School District. The Georgia textbook sticker case. Uses Lemon test.

[PatrickHenry]

As to how Bush's new nominee might vote, no one knows, of course, but here's a hint:

It's been reported by the Panda’s Thumb that at the “Useful Links” page for Miers’s Valley View Christian Church links prominently to the Creation Evidence Museum, run by Dr. Carl Baugh, a creationist.

Here's the church's links. Creation museum is at the bottom.

[AntiGuv]

The last statement that I recall with regard to evolution by the church that I'm a member of (yes! amazing as that may seem..) was titled: "Darwin on the Road to Hitler."

This has no relevance whatsoever to Miers, who is by every account devoted to her faith. It just struck me as amusing what kind of conclusion some enterprising investigator might think he'd reached about me if he delved..

[Chiapet]

Thank you for the transcript link!

[SmoothTalker]

""Darwin on the Road to Hitler." "

You can't deny that every racist type in the early part of this century jumped all over Darwinism and used it to support their ideas that certain races were better. Nazism was merely a logical extension of the doctrine of natural selection.

[ml1954]

Because the Discovery Institute almost certainly doesn't, I'd almost like to see the case of the 'unusually clueless champions' of ID vs Science go to the Supreme Court.

[Dimensio]

Nazism was merely a logical extension of the doctrine of natural selection.

There are only two kinds of people who make this assertion: those who do not understand natural selection and those who are lying about what natural selection implies. Which are you? Note that if you are going to dispute the initial premise in an attempt to dispel my dichotomy, you should try and show an actual logical connection between natural selection and Nazism.

[SmoothTalker]

Do you not deny that social darwinism was an appropriation of Darwinism and that all kinds of bigots in the first part of this last century used the theories to explain why certain races were more backwards than others?

[Dimensio]

Do you not deny that social darwinism was an appropriation of Darwinism and that all kinds of bigots in the first part of this last century used the theories to explain why certain races were more backwards than others?

No, but I do deny that "social darwinism" is a logical extension of natural selection. As I said, anyone who tries to claim a logical connection between natural selection and Nazisim is either ignorant or lying.

[Junior]

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CrevoSci threads for the past week:

1. 2005-10-13 Dover players prepare for Supreme Court [Penna evolution trial]
2. 2005-10-12 Camden tool could be 5,000 years old
3. 2005-10-12 Can an Electron be in Two Places at the Same Time?
4. 2005-10-12 Challenge to Biological Evolution: Convergence
5. 2005-10-12 Dover science teacher testifies [Evolution trial, thread for 12 Oct]
6. 2005-10-12 Intelligent Design 101: Short on science, long on snake oil
7. 2005-10-12 Intelligent Design Debate Brews
8. 2005-10-12 Intelligent Design? [...in California schools]
9. 2005-10-12 NASA Discovers Life's Building Blocks Are Common In Space
10. 2005-10-11 Anthropologists Uncover Ancient Jawbone
11. 2005-10-11 Creationism Is Evolving... It Has No Choice
12. 2005-10-11 Dinosaur-Bird Flap Ruffles Feathers
13. 2005-10-11 Don’t settle for separate but equal (Dover trial Darwinists, are 'absurd' says YDR Editor)
14. 2005-10-11 More bones of hobbit-sized humans discovered
15. 2005-10-11 Warnings from the Ivory Towers
16. 2005-10-10 Backward, Christian Soldiers! (Intel-Design supporters equivalent to 'Holocaust Deniers')
17. 2005-10-10 Creationism concerns shadow Florida's new top educator
18. 2005-10-10 Did feathered dinosaurs exist?
19. 2005-10-10 EUGENICS - From Darwinism to Population Control
20. 2005-10-10 Intelligent design's big ambitions - Advocates want much more than textbooks.
21. 2005-10-10 Killer Findings: Scientists Piece Together 1918-Flu Virus
22. 2005-10-10 Latest Study: Scientists Say No Evidence Exists
23. 2005-10-09 Evolution of faith
24. 2005-10-09 Gov. Bush [Florida] oddly evasive on evolution
25. 2005-10-09 Putting Relativity To The Test, NASA's Gravity Probe B To Reveale If Einstein Was Right
26. 2005-10-08 Famed author takes on Kansas: Rushdie bemoans role of religion in public life
27. 2005-10-07 Descent of Man in Dover (Why acceptance of ID not inevitable.)
28. 2005-10-07 Discovery Institute's “Wedge Document” How Darwinist Paranoia Fueled an Urban Legend
29. 2005-10-07 Dover, PA Evolution Trial [daily thread for 07 Oct]
30. 2005-10-07 Evolution and intelligent design Life is a cup of tea
31. 2005-10-07 Let 'intelligent design' and science rumble
32. 2005-10-07 The Las Cruces Fossil Human Footprints
33. 2005-10-07 The Map that Changed the World [in 1815]
34. 2005-10-07 University of Idaho Bans All Alternatives to Evolution
35. 2005-10-07 Why Intelligent Design Is Going to Win

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[Junior]

You can't deny that prior to Darwin Christians used the "sons of Ham" excuse to enslave darker-skinned folks.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

I'm glad to see the attorneys are gearing up for appeals - because if either side fails to lay out the facts in support or defense of a theory to appeal while yet in trial, that side will lose (IMHO).

[js1138]

You can't deny that every racist type in the early part of this century jumped all over Darwinism and used it to support their ideas that certain races were better. Nazism was merely a logical extension of the doctrine of natural selection.

Nor can you deny that prior the the Civil War, Christians used the Bible to justify slavery.

So what?

[Doctor Stochastic]

Social Darwinism seems be the rationale of the Institute for Creation Research to be against capitalism.

[longshadow]

**** ..... the Creation Evidence Museum, run by Dr. Carl Baugh,.....*****

Doctor Baugh? That's an interesting characterization; especially after reading:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/degrees.html

where one will see that it would be more appropriate to characterize Baugh as a "charlatan" rather than a "doctor," being that his claim to the title "doctor" rests upon approximately the same foundation as do claims that "Captain Kangaroo" is naval officer or a marsupial.

[PatrickHenry]

At the start of the church's links page is this disclaimer: This is not a endorsement just some links we enjoy

Make of that what you will ...