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A Historic Discovery, in Beethoven's Own Hand
NY Times ^ | 10-13-05 | DANIEL J. WAKIN

Posted on 10/13/2005 4:11:50 AM PDT by Pharmboy


Shiho Fukada for The New York Times

The recently discovered manuscript for Beethoven's "Grosse Fuge."

Heather Carbo, a matter-of-fact librarian at an evangelical seminary outside Philadelphia, was cleaning out an archival cabinet one hot afternoon in July. It was a dirty and routine job. But there, on the bottom shelf, she stumbled across what may be one of the most important musicological finds in years.

It was a working manuscript score for a piano version of Beethoven's "Grosse Fuge," a monument of classical music. And it was in the composer's own hand, according to Sotheby's auction house. The 80-page manuscript in mainly brown ink - a furious scattering of notes across the page, with many changes and cross-outs, some so deep that the paper is punctured - dates from the final months of Beethoven's life.

The score had effectively disappeared from view for 115 years, apparently never examined by scholars. It goes on display today, just for the afternoon, at the school, the Palmer Theological Seminary in Wynnewood, Pa.

"It was just sitting on that shelf," Ms. Carbo said. "I was just in a state of shock."

Like Ms. Carbo, musicologists sounded stunned when read a description of the manuscript by Sotheby's, which will auction it on Dec. 1 in London. "Wow! Oh my God!" said Lewis Lockwood, a musicology professor at Harvard University and a Beethoven biographer. "This is big. This is very big."

Indeed it is.

Any manuscript showing a composer's self-editing gives invaluable insight into his working methods, and this is a particularly rich example. Such second thoughts are particularly revealing in the case of Beethoven, who, never satisfied, honed his ideas brutally - unlike, say, Mozart, who was typically able to spill out a large score in nearly finished form.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Germany; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: beethoven; classicalmusic; grossefuge; manuscript; music
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To: SaveTheChief

The 5th is good too :-)


101 posted on 10/13/2005 12:34:51 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Pharmboy

Have ever you heard the Brahms 3rd and 4th symphonies? There's a not a shred of muddiness in them. The finale of the 4th is spine tingling. Simply beyond compare. And the violin concerto and 2nd piano concerto may be the best in their genre of the 19th century. He's survived all manner of fashion taste and will continue to endure.


102 posted on 10/13/2005 12:39:00 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges
Yes it is. The first movement is a great exercise in composition using a short rhythmic motif and very little thematic material. The rest of the symphony is very good as well. IMO though, the Fifth is the most over-performed, most poorly interpreted piece of music in the repertoire.
103 posted on 10/13/2005 12:43:06 PM PDT by SaveTheChief ("I can't wait until I'm old enough to feel ways about stuff." - Phillip J. Fry)
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To: ecurbh

Ludwig Van Ping. :-)

Interesting.


104 posted on 10/13/2005 12:43:58 PM PDT by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 900 knives and counting!)
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To: SaveTheChief

None of which is its fault. :-) It's the perfect example of the Heroic aesthetic of Beethoven's middle period. It should be perormed with brisker tempors then its often given. the Andate especially which is one of the great slow movements in all of Beethoven.


105 posted on 10/13/2005 12:46:11 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

Wow so many typos in that post. Sorry!


106 posted on 10/13/2005 12:46:44 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges
None of which is its fault

Well gee whiz. Who could argue with logic like that? LOL

I agree with everything you said. I also think the second movements of both the Third and Seventh Symphonies are often performed much too slowly, taking much of the natural phrasing out of them.

But I AM tired of being disappointed by poorly interpreted Beethoven, especially the Fifth.

107 posted on 10/13/2005 12:52:34 PM PDT by SaveTheChief ("I can't wait until I'm old enough to feel ways about stuff." - Phillip J. Fry)
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To: Borges

Never could get past the first one or two hearings of his symphonies, but I must admit that his violin concerto is pretty good (but then again, I even like Tschaikovsky's violin concerto!).

I will look for the symphonies you mention only because I have so much faith in Freepers...


108 posted on 10/13/2005 1:06:26 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they have to.)
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To: SaveTheChief
For me, hearing the Fifth at this point is like listening to the Stones' Satisfaction for the 300th time!
109 posted on 10/13/2005 1:08:38 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they have to.)
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To: Pharmboy

Why the sheepish admission of liking of the Tchiakovsky? It's also great. He and Brahms are the two greatest composers of their generation.


110 posted on 10/13/2005 1:12:33 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Servant of the 9

I should note that Haydn did work out everything at the keyboard though.


111 posted on 10/13/2005 1:26:14 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Doctor Stochastic; Servant of the 9

A music loving friend of mine put it this way: if Mozart was all talent and no genius...he'd be Haydn.


112 posted on 10/13/2005 1:29:25 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Doctor Stochastic

I can't say that I'm familiar with a Gino's Pizza ad. It's hard to not associate it with the Lone Ranger though. :-)


113 posted on 10/13/2005 1:30:10 PM PDT by zeugma (Warning: Self-referential object does not reference itself.)
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To: Borges
I find Tchaikovsky waaaaay too schmaltzy (except for that violin concerto--it stands up well).

During high school, I was obsessed with Shostakovich's 5th Symphony. Listened to it all the time, and even used it as a (sometime) successful background to putting the moves on a female. I bought the CD a few years back (same recording by Bernstein) and halfway through it I found myself laughing out loud: it sounded so, well, silly. That piece did NOT stand up to time. Tchaik's stuff does better.

114 posted on 10/13/2005 8:19:01 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they have to.)
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To: Borges

Your friend is very clever.


115 posted on 10/13/2005 8:20:04 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they have to.)
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To: Pharmboy

116 posted on 10/13/2005 8:24:06 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: Pharmboy

117 posted on 10/13/2005 8:29:42 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: Revolting cat!
The four legged one definitely had a better disposition...

( :-D

118 posted on 10/13/2005 8:30:29 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they have to.)
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To: sitetest
Could you please place me on your classical music ping list -- didn't know FR had one. Wouldn't it be great if we could post short sound files with the posts (like in the old days)? :)

Thank you!

119 posted on 10/13/2005 8:30:38 PM PDT by Boomer Geezer (Sgt. Wanda Dabbs, 22, of the 230th, called out, "That's my president, hooah!" and there were cheers.)
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To: Boomer Geezer

Will do!


120 posted on 10/13/2005 9:03:27 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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