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TAX REFORM COMMISSION? YEAH ... RIGHT.
Neal's Nuze ^ | Oct. 12, 2005 | Neal Boortz

Posted on 10/12/2005 8:39:34 AM PDT by pigdog

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To: ancient_geezer
Another question about your table:

CBO says that federal government revenue is 16.3% of total GDP in 2004. This is down from 20.9% in 2000. See table 4 at http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=1821&sequence=0

How on earth can "Line 29 Tax inclusive rate (no rebate)" be as low as 15.9% with all of the exclusions listed in your table?

241 posted on 11/06/2005 2:47:02 PM PST by hripka (There are a lot of smart people out there in FReeperLand)
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How on earth can "Line 29 Tax inclusive rate (no rebate)" be as low as 15.9% with all of the exclusions listed in your table?

The NRST does not replace 100% of federal revenue sources. It only replaces income, payroll and gift/estate taxes.

Current misc excises, tariffs and import duties, fees and other sources of revenue to government are not replaced by the NRST.

Secondly the exclusions from GDP as well as the additions to GDP in the table are corrections that are necessary to GDP to adjust to the actual and practical taxbase the legislaton covers, not GDP as the theoretical number that BEA produces.

In otherwords, the taxbase covered by the FairTax includes taxation of imports at retail level (which GDP does not) while removing imputed rents (which is in GDP but not a part of anyone's taxbase) for example. There are many additions to Gross "Domestic" Product that are taxed under the FairTax yet are not included in "Domestic" production.

242 posted on 11/06/2005 2:59:28 PM PST by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it!!)
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To: hripka

Another question about your table:

Buy the way, that is not "my table".

It is a standard calculation used by economists to determine the tax rate in a static study of tax rate for a given tax base. In this particular case it is the one of the calculations done for AFFT representing the taxbase implemented by the FairTax legislation.

I am merely an individual proponent for an NRST of any kind and for the FairTax legislation as it the only such legislation on the table today.

What I am not is an employee or economist belonging to AFFT having anything to do with their studies or what they select for their websites.

243 posted on 11/06/2005 3:21:09 PM PST by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it!!)
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To: hripka

First of all, it's not "THEIR" idea which you'd know if you'd read up using the FairTax website. It came about by means of many years of economic studies. Trying to change the FairTax bill in any substantive way means that you affect each and every taxpayer - no hiding of cute little trick tax provisions or benes for certain people or groups. Everyone has the same tax treatment.

That will make a politician think long and hard before launching into something affecting all voters adversely.

It's apparent you are trying to defend the Status Quo from you posts that actually oppose the FairTax, Many have tried the stunt of saying "... oh, I'M not opposed to the FairTax ..." while arguing against it. That does not work friend.


244 posted on 11/11/2005 5:56:47 PM PST by pigdog
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To: hripka

That's because you haven't read the bill and do not realize that the FairTax eliminates the income tax (and some others) as well as the IRS and the applicable income tax code portions and in addition it requires the income tax records to be destroyed.

If you think that's something that can be restarted by a snap of the fingers you're quite mistaken.

What I said was that I disagreed with your entire list - not just part of it. You can think as you choose.


245 posted on 11/11/2005 6:00:56 PM PST by pigdog
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To: hripka
Facts??? No facts ... all your 3 points were consist of mere speculation.

And BTW those were certainly not personal attacks.

You have failed to grasp what was said in #233. You will pay the FairTax on all the taxable things you buy while the one with the illegal income will now also be paying the FairTax when he buys, like you, at retail. If you maintain your normal consumption you'll be paying the full part of the FairTax and the one with the illegal income will also pay HIS share of FairTax when he purchases taxable things at retail so that together you'll be paying a greater total in taxes.

IOW, you've gained nothing (except a lift-threatening habit) while you dealer is now helping defray the costs of government for the first time. If you don't maintain your normal consumption then you'll still be paying the prorata sales tax and your dealer (who now has more of your money) will pay more as he purchases more. Now you both have "lost" since you seem to think in those terms. If you're getting the money for the drugs illegally also (which many do) there will still be a net gain in FairTax revenue as the dealer (or you) spends it.

So the answer the the 3 items you posed is no, it's not the same at all as I've just explained.
246 posted on 11/11/2005 6:20:35 PM PST by pigdog
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To: hripka

I didn't agree with you at all. I see that you haven't read the bill.


247 posted on 11/11/2005 6:21:33 PM PST by pigdog
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To: pigdog
Go back to post #215. What is a company expense? The 'FairTax' is only on final retail sales.

We are talking about benefits paid by companies to their employees.

How does the 'FairTax' tax those benefits? It doesn't. Therefore, by not being taxed, the number of company benefits will be taxed.

248 posted on 11/13/2005 12:27:40 PM PST by hripka (There are a lot of smart people out there in FReeperLand)
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To: pigdog
How can you disagree with ALL of the 'Winners' list?

Even Boortz/Linder say that certain people will benefit from a 'FairTax', people that are included on that list.

249 posted on 11/13/2005 12:30:15 PM PST by hripka (There are a lot of smart people out there in FReeperLand)
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