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To: microgood
"They say they are not hostile to religion as they ridicule it. Also, they also defend their theory by saying it is equivalent to say physics. "

Theologeons came up with the angel astronomy and y'all came up with these peculiar falsehoods about how evolution's not real science, like say physics. But hey, if durmming up sympathy and anger with BS helps the cause-go for it.

22 posted on 10/11/2005 7:12:40 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets
Theologeons came up with the angel astronomy

Well yeah..back when science had some pretty ridiculous ideas too.

and y'all came up with these peculiar falsehoods about how evolution's not real science, like say physics

Good point. I'm certainly not competent to make any claims of that sort against evolution and I have a feeling that many of those who oppose it aren't either.

29 posted on 10/11/2005 7:20:46 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: spunkets
Posted on another thread and seemingly useful here:

The fact is scientific thinking has had more success explaining things than theology.

Yep, and it's resposnible for killing George Washington with it's success - bleeding him to cure his disease.. The proud always gloat in the hopes that no one paid attention to their ills. Evolutionists have done two things - stood on the shoulders of those who "proved" science while at the same time shouting that scientific theory cannot be proven. Who proved the theory of flight? Hint, it was a pair of brothers at Kittyhawk. We're supposed to carve such trivialities from our minds in order to bolster the concept that Evolutionists should be required to prove their drivol. Evolution isn't gravity. Evolution is a religion pretending at science and attempting to hide behind lame disclaimers that they are under no obligation to prove themselves.. you are just obliged to believe them. Where else but in a cult does one expect to hear such notions. Where else but from charlatans has one heard such sales pitches.

Polystrait fossils were argued by christians to be evidence of flooding for a long time. The damage presented by the 1980s eruption of Mt. St. Helens proved to science what Christians had been saying all along. St. Helens at once explained coal formation, rapid sedimentation, rapid carving of canyons, etc. One relatively small scale natural disaster destroyed many evolutionist fairytales about "millions of years". It isn't the notion that non-science is overtaking science that bothers them. It's that the truth is overtaking propaganda and evolution is quickly approaching it's demise as mock science and is headed for the ash-heap of history. It cannot withstand many more Mout St. Helens like events which expose the lack of candidness or truthfulness on behalf of the evolution crowd. Truth matters. Proof matters. We are, afterall, discussing what is supposed to be observeable. And life and it's properties are observeable lest we be treated to some thesis on how superstrings are not directly observeable.

As regards superstrings, gravity and other phenomina, we have to interject a bit of common sense when discussing these things. They are not terms which lept to life out of the ether. They are terms applied to things science observed and couldn't understand. Evolution, contrarwise, is something Science has theorized and never seen. It didn't arise out of an observation that couldn't be explained, it arose as a theoretical possibility that they have been chasing proofs for since.. to no avail. What's more, Evolution is not a single theory. It is a set of theories that are discarded and replaced under the umbrella of a religious idea. The idea never dies, it just invents new theories when the old ones are disproven. And, yes, lest we allow them to get away with saying science isn't about proof, we must note that they disprove their own ideas and discard them, then noting the damage done, replace the old set of theories with new ones - thusly remaining a constantly moving target. Observations like those surrounding the investigations after Mt. St. Helens have served to pin them down bits at a time. The more this happens, the more nervous their side gets. Like it or not, that is the nature of things being attempted to be hidden from truthful and candid conversation in the public. The danger on the horizon is what to do when the faithful no longer have this theory to believe in and science has to answer for the long fraud... Screaching and gnashing of teeth aren't quite apt impressions; but, are close. Think of liberals losing power and you'll be pretty close. We have examples of that sideshow daily.

from here

36 posted on 10/11/2005 7:40:59 PM PDT by Havoc (King George and President George. Coincidence?)
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To: spunkets
Theologeons came up with the angel astronomy

Which is irrelevant because it was intended to insult people, not reveal historical facts.

and y'all came up with these peculiar falsehoods about how evolution's not real science, like say physics.

No, I was commenting on why Darwinists immediately claim anyone that questions evolutionary theory believes the earth is flat, spagetti connects us to the moon, etc. That is a false and dishonest argument.

As far as physics goes, there are the parts that are testable and the parts that are not. Gravity theories can be tested empirically. Big bang theories cannot. With evolution, microevolutionary theories can be empirically tested, but macroevolutionary theories cannot.

The theories where the evidence is indirect or circumstantial are not equal to the ones that are.

Here is a sober perspective of what science is and what it can do (link to full article below)

Quote below by Percy Williams Bridgman.

"It does seem that science contains various imperfections and some serious limitations on certainty. Many have pointed out the existence of technology as a sign that we are on the right track. But just because technology works doesn’t necessarily mean that our theories of why it works are correct.[81] Often, the reliability of technology depends more upon empirical regularities, rather than explanatory concepts. For example, candles and light bulbs have worked and will continue to work even though our theories of why they work have changed over time (light as particles, waves, or some combination of the two; the rejection of the phlogiston theory of heat, etc.). The underdetermination of theories applies to explaining the effectiveness of technology just like any other data. Some have believed that science has been successful in acquiring knowledge, yet there really is no way of verifying this. Data are incapable of conclusively proving theories, and we can’t exactly read an omniscient “book of truth” to see how often our theories have been correct. Historically speaking, almost every theory in science eventually becomes discarded as wrong.[82] Consequently, there have been so many false starts in science that it would be rather incredible if we were the ones who are finally on the right track.[83] It would be especially amazing considering that the theories that we’ve already discarded have not even been conclusively falsified by the data. Even so, this is not to say science isn’t worth having around. On the contrary, science provides significant benefits for humanity. For one thing, science has helped us to alleviate the struggle to survive.[84] Whether or not we are on the right track, it seems clear that science is conducive for useful technology. Various aspects of science can be used for the needs of people, understanding ourselves and even our place in the universe.[85] Although there is a very real possibility of being wrong, we can increase our chances of being right through further accumulation of data. Despite all its imperfections and limitations, science may very well be the best tool we have for discovering nature."

The Nature and Philosophy of Science
42 posted on 10/11/2005 9:38:08 PM PDT by microgood
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