Consortium launched to support OpenDocument

ZDNet ^ | 2005-10-10 | Colin Barker

[N3WBI3]

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[newzjunkey]

Let me step out on a limb: Microsoft will claim to support it. Break it. Get away with it. Nothing will change.

[softwarecreator]

Microsoft announced that it would, support Adobe's PDF format in Office 12, but would not support OpenDocument

I think MS will eventually come around, look how long it took them to finally acknowledge pdf.  To me, this ODF is a great idea and I can't really think of a downside for it.

[newzjunkey]

Microsoft announced that it would, support Adobe's PDF format in Office 12

This is a bit disturbing. I don't trust Microsoft and since they're going to offer a competing technology in Windows Vista (nee Longhorn) I would be very, very suspicious if I was Adobe. Besides, it's no secret Microsoft is gunning for Adobe's market-share in consumer image software.

[N3WBI3]

Well PDF will not get them where they want to get *especially if you can not open and edit the docs*. But the PDF license is open and yet protected enough to prevent MS from embracing and extending. ODF might be another story..

[softwarecreator]

But the PDF license is open and yet protected enough to prevent MS from embracing and extending

Wow.  I guess everyone here must HATE those devils over at Adobe for not giving 100% freedom to MS to do anything they want with this format for free, right?  Where is the outrage?  =)

ODF might be another story..

I agree, this has a lot of potential and I would happily embrace an open format document.

[N3WBI3]

Wow. I guess everyone here must HATE those devils over at Adobe for not giving 100% freedom to MS to do anything they want with this format for free, right?

Ahh but MS is free to do whatever they want with PDF, they just cant break it and still call it PDF! Do you see the difference?

[Golden Eagle]

ODF is a great idea and I can't really think of a downside for it.

Start with the fact hardly anyone other than leftist fanatics currently has it, add to it the fact that more leftists up in the state of Mass are now pushing it, and work your way down from there.

[softwarecreator]

Nope.  They should feel free to do whatever they want to it.  It's called "open source", not "sorta-open source" or "with-restrictions open source".  How you must hate those Adobe folks for disallowing MS total freedom with their name and product!

[softwarecreator]

Start with the fact hardly anyone other than leftist fanatics currently has it, add to it the fact that more leftists up in the state of Mass are now pushing it, and work your way down from there.

It hasn't been embraced by MS yet.  Once they do, and they will, it'll spread out of just the libbie choice.

[N3WBI3]

It's called "open source", not "sorta-open source" or "with-restrictions open source".

Every piece of GPL code out there has a copyright associated with it. PDF is not GPL but is completely open except you can not violate their copyright by making your own format and calling it PDF..

How you must hate those Adobe folks for disallowing MS total freedom with their name and product!

Wow way to try and put me into a nice neat box, complete with words for my mouth. If you can not see the difference between saying sure copy mine and feel free to change it just dont call it 'n3wbs' software anymore, and 'No you cant copy and change this at all' you're either purposefully of unintentionally being obtuse.

[Golden Eagle]

Every piece of GPL code out there has a copyright copyleft associated with it.

Corrected for the n3wbie.

[Golden Eagle]

It hasn't been embraced by MS yet.

Maybe, unfortunately IBM and their leftist brigade has pushed MS into some other leftist things they were previously uninvolved with, from this to Chinese partnering to even allowing homosexual union groups. IBM pioneered those things, too bad MS hasn't held out against them but eventually gave in themselves.

[N3WBI3]

Im sorry, I know you dont agree with me on this but the GPL itself *starts* with a copyright

Copyright (C) 1989, 1991 Free Software Foundation, Inc. 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA 02110-1301, USA

It is also mentioned in the preamble

We protect your rights with two steps: (1) copyright the software, and (2) offer you this license which gives you legal permission to copy, distribute and/or modify the software.

It is so prominent that it is the first term for acceptance

This License applies to any program or other work which contains a notice placed by the copyright holder saying it may be distributed under the terms of this General Public License.

Further it is mentioned in many of the other terms as well..

The GPL is a license it is a separate entity from patents and copyright, Have a nice day.

[softwarecreator]

either purposefully of unintentionally being obtuse

Of course I'm just messing with you!  =)

Hey come on, it's not often I can accuse other companies of withholding info from Microsoft, I needed to roll with it for a while!

And now back to reality ...

[softwarecreator]

Every piece of GPL code out there has a copyright copyleft associated with it.

LOL!!!  Clever!

[ShadowAce]

LOL!!! Clever!

Copyleft

[packrat35]

I see the MS butt-troll has arrived with his usual shrill attacking others as liberals or Communists all who don't bow down to the almight MS.

[softwarecreator]

never heard of it