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Posted on 10/10/2005 8:52:41 AM PDT by Spiff
Graf was one of the primary organizers of Proposition 200 in Arizona, served as the Majority Whip in the Arizona House of Representatives, and was a Minuteman Project participant.
You can find out more about Randy Graf and see how you can help him defeat Jim Kolbe by going to his website at www.votegraf.com.
KOLBE MUST GO!!!
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I've read about this issue in articles posted at FR in the past and recall that it was a permanent check point versus a roaming checkpoint issue. At the time, I did some googling and found out which constituents were opposed to the permanent check points.
Now as I read this article, it seems to imply that Kolbe is against check points of any kind.
Which is it?
This, of course, is a ludicrous position because there are only a handful of highways in Kolbe's district that go from south to north and no other roads that can be taken north. Highways 19, 80, 90, and 191 are the only ways to get north to Interstate 10 in a car. Roaming checkpoints along those 4 highways are pointless and the Border Patrol has pointed that out repeatedly.
If the Border Patrol thought that ONLY using roaming checkpoints was the most effective, that is what they would do.
Now that the GAO has demonstrated that Kolbe's anti-checkpoint language has resulted in a 77% reduction of Border Patrol effectiveness in his district, it is obvious that the checkpoints were necessary and that Kolbe was wrong. Kolbe did not shut down the check points in his district to improve border security and Border Patrol effectiveness as he likes to say, he did so to appease fat cat developers and donors from Tubac and Green Valley.
When the checkpoint becomes permanent, everyone knows where it is.
There are plenty of routes to circumvent these check points. For those who don't want to drive sround them, they simply let the illegals out of the vehicle 5 miles south of the checkpoint and pick them up 5 miles north of the checkpoint.
In fact, this was the complaint by residents in an upscale area of AZ close to the permanent checkpoint. The illegals were bypassing thru their area 24/7.
The same problem exists in Texas.
One of the men currently invoved in Texas MM has the same problem. I don't recall his name but he is the Falfurrias vet whose ranch is close-by to the permanent checkpoint and has illegals hoofing it north across his property.
This was the same problem that Rancher Sutton had a few years ago in south Texas. He made the mistake of letting Ranch Rescue on to his property and when RR pistol whipped the illegals, he settled out of court for a 100 grand.
The problem is that the BP union insists on permanent because it is easier on the agents.
The agents are not confined to the checkpoints as you stupidly surmise. They are watching the behavior of drivers approaching the checkpoints and surveilling the areas where the drivers may drop their loads to attempt to get around the checkpoints. It is easy to spot the drivers trying to get their loads around the checkpoints, ask a Border Patrol agent who has worked one.
It is not the Border Patrol union alone that insists upon checkpoints. It is the Border Patrol from the field agents all the way up to the management. And now the GAO report backs them up on how it reduces effectiveness to remove this critical tool from their arsenal of border security tools.
And if the permanent checkpoints were so ineffective, why aren't they prohibited along the entire border and not just RINO Kolbe's home district?
I don't expect this to change your opinion or that of RINO Jim Kolbe. Neither of you put a priority on securing our border and have some other agenda that does not serve the best interests of our national security in a time of terrorist war. I just want to counter the bullcrap that you posted here.
Of course the answer is building better border barriers to stop most of the border intrusions in the first place, but of course OBLs like Ben Flickin will lie and tell you how easy it is to get around those too and that they should never be built. We can't stop everyone so we shouldn't even try seems to be their idiotic philosophy.
I am aware that the sgents patrol south of the checkpoints, but how many agents does it take to patrol 5-10 miles. And I know that if the landowner allows them they will patrol on the private land in proximity to the checkpoint, but that is a huge area.
The main benefit is that when the coyote/smuggler doesn't know where the checkpoint is going to be tonight, he is on top of it/close to it before he knows its there and much easier caught.
Anybody whose has been thru these checkponts can tell you this. Of course if you are a fundraiser for Graf and trying BS an issue, that is of little importance.
You're not paying attention. I live on the border and regularly go through the checkpoints. I talk to the Border Patrol agents. You are WRONG on this and so many other border-related issues.
I'll say it again. You cannot dispute the fact that many, many illegals bypass the permanent checkpoints.
Many illegal attempt to bypass permanent checkpoints. Some make it past them. That does not mean, however, that permanent checkpoints are useless and should not be erected.
You, and your OBL comrades think that because a permanent structure (a wall or checkpoint) may be bypassed by a few, that they should never be erected. We should just give up and throw the borders open despite the damage that would do. Talk about feebleminded lacking common sense...
I may not know more than "anyone else", but I certainly know a great deal more about this subject than you have proven to know. So, what part of Texas do you live in? How close is the border to your home? How often do you have to report criminal invaders to the Border Patrol? How many of your friends and family have been negatively affected by the criminal invaders? How many people do you know who have lost their jobs or businesses to criminal invaders? How many times have you been chased by criminal invaders as they yell, "We're going to kill you, M-----F-----!" How many friends have you had criminal invaders attempt to kill while they're stealing your friend's car to go north? How many times have you stood and watched the border and reported criminal invaders coming across near your home? How many times have you had friends have their property invaded by 50 criminal invaders at a time? You don't know crap about the border, but you certainly don't hesitate to post it.
You even admit in your reply #9 that Kolbe's constituents have a problem with bypassing illegals but you discount it by calling them "fat cat doners"
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1.I'm so sorry about the endless horror our government's lack of enforcement has forced on your friends and loved ones. This travesty must not only be corrected, those responsible have to answer for it.
2.You may be so close to the trees that your perspective of the forest may be somewhat limited. The corrupted elements of the Mexican Army bank on the dependability of fixed spots. They use state-of-the-art communications and some of the best tactical strategies out of Ft. Leavenworth (School Of The Americas). The agents in those spots can not know what's flowing around them, especially when their budget and resources are paltry compared to the bad guys. When the BP had flexibility they were actually more effective though far more at risk of danger. Moving back to erratic patrols now would result in bloodshed. Read into that what you will.
3.Kolbe's time of hobbling the Border Patrol for the benefit of his illegal-slaving constituents may be coming to an end, thanks to you and many other outraged Arizonans sick of his crap. Graf is looking really good on his second, wiser shot. That no one has played up Kolbe's "alternative lifestyle" leaves me wondering if Arizonan's are that accepting of it. The pictures I've seen of him "photo-opping" with young citizens respecting him as a senator totally creep me out.
If those are the folks I'm thinking of, they amount to less than 10% of the people involved. Remember, Spiff listed an Interstate and 4 State highways. The 'fat cat donors' live in Green Valley along I-19 unless I'm mistaken.
And as for being able to walk around the checkpoint...I urge you to try it sometime. Really hard to do around these checkpoints. But by all means, give it a shot - if you feel lucky!
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