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'Black box' information driving convictions (Automobile black boxes)
Automotive Body Repair News ^
| Oct 3, 2005
| Tim Sramcik
Posted on 10/09/2005 5:04:56 PM PDT by Ben Mugged
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To: Ben Mugged
not such a good thing. black boxes only contain a few seconds of data. Not enough info to get a complete before/during/after picture.
not all cars have them, which makes it's legal use seem discriminatory.
To: bdfromlv
The memory used is astatic RAM and is not sensitive to magnetism.
To: dila813
These devices are designed to prosecute the owner, not to defend.
They are designed to operate the vehicle and its safety equipment.
Use for accident investigation is a misuse of data not collected for that purpose.
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posted on
10/09/2005 5:52:00 PM PDT
by
konaice
To: Ben Mugged
Aren't there laws preventing self-incrimination?
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posted on
10/09/2005 5:53:44 PM PDT
by
Texas Eagle
(If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
To: Ben Mugged; All
It appears these "black boxes" are required for sold, rented or leased vehicles by law in California as signed by Grey Davis in Sept 2003.
California Vehicle Code Section 9951 The IEEE approved an initial EDR standard at the end of 2004.
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posted on
10/09/2005 5:55:09 PM PDT
by
newzjunkey
(CA: Stop union theft for political agendas with YES on Prop 75! Prolife? YES on Prop 73!)
To: oceanview
"all cars have them and they cannot be disabled."
Of course that's not true... Certainly my 72 Saab sonnet does not. And on cars that have them, they can be disabled. If someone can hack windows, they can certainly hack a car computer.
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posted on
10/09/2005 5:55:53 PM PDT
by
babygene
(Viable after 87 trimesters)
To: umgud
. Having said that, people should know whether or not their vehicles have them and if so, they should disable them. But as they are designed to operate brakes airbags and in some cases engines, removal becomes less and less possible.
Further, depending on WHEN you remove it, you could be charged with destruction of evidence. Sort of like hillary "losing" the records...
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posted on
10/09/2005 5:57:02 PM PDT
by
konaice
To: Jeff Gordon
Most people obey the law when they know they are being watched. Nonsense!
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posted on
10/09/2005 5:58:15 PM PDT
by
konaice
To: konaice
Real simple, if you have a wreck have the car towed to your house. After the wrecker leaves destroy the box.
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posted on
10/09/2005 5:58:39 PM PDT
by
eastforker
(Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
To: stylin19a
My reading indicated 5 seconds of data is retained (at least in early GM EDR designs). That doesn't seem like a long time. A lot can happen in 5 seconds before an accident. It would be nice to see that extended.
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posted on
10/09/2005 5:59:19 PM PDT
by
newzjunkey
(CA: Stop union theft for political agendas with YES on Prop 75! Prolife? YES on Prop 73!)
To: konaice; All
You need to read the entire article. There are numerous states where you need the owners permission before the data can be retrieved. And, there are only 5 seconds of data.
To: oceanview
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posted on
10/09/2005 6:00:09 PM PDT
by
babygene
(Viable after 87 trimesters)
To: eastforker
Real simple, if you have a wreck have the car towed to your house. After the wrecker leaves destroy the box. That's the problem. The fact that it had to be there to operate the car, but is now after accident gone missing, means you are even more suspected, and may be charged with an additional crime of evidence tampering.
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posted on
10/09/2005 6:01:59 PM PDT
by
konaice
To: Ben Mugged
I think it's a pure big-brother situation. Does anyone really deserve to live with a camera on them all the time? More government control is not a good thing.
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posted on
10/09/2005 6:03:34 PM PDT
by
Fierce Allegiance
(The most dangerous place in America is a mother's womb.)
To: konaice
Must have fell off on the way during the tow. I can uderstand this law for public transportation but for private vehicles it is outlandish.
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posted on
10/09/2005 6:06:03 PM PDT
by
eastforker
(Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
To: konaice
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posted on
10/09/2005 6:07:16 PM PDT
by
umgud
(Comment removed by poster before moderator could get to it)
To: babygene
all modern cars have them. and the data is integrated into the engine management and airbag computers.
To: konaice
For me that wouldn't be a problem. I'ed just carry a spare...
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posted on
10/09/2005 6:11:38 PM PDT
by
babygene
(Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: eastforker
if you are in an accident that involves personal injury to another party (fake whiplash aside) - your car is going to be impounded.
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