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Libertarians and the Free State Project
Original writing | October 9, 2005 | Tim Condon

Posted on 10/09/2005 3:00:11 PM PDT by ct235

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1 posted on 10/09/2005 3:00:12 PM PDT by ct235
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Not too bad. Now cut it to about half this length, and you'll have something a lot more people will read.


2 posted on 10/09/2005 3:08:25 PM PDT by Joe Bonforte
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"Not surprisingly, New Hampshire has one of the lowest crime rates in the country and is said to be one of the four safest states in America"

I believe it also has the least minorities. Just a coincidence I guess.

Anyway, how's the job market in NH?


3 posted on 10/09/2005 3:13:32 PM PDT by Pessimist
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Legal drugs, open borders and Harry Browne.

Nada.

(Browne after 9/11/2001 was disgusting. So don't expect much attention to anything he says, or every led)


4 posted on 10/09/2005 3:16:45 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: ct235

What Joe (#2) said. Not a bad idea, on the whole, but it does look more and more like a pipe dream with each passing year.


5 posted on 10/09/2005 3:16:57 PM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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And it is surrounded by socialist states. All of New England should be sundered from the Nation.


6 posted on 10/09/2005 3:20:33 PM PDT by rcofdayton
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All of New England? Not New Hampshire. It's the "Live Free or Die" state, and is more libertarian-oriented than any other state in the nation. Check it out at freestateproject.org.


7 posted on 10/09/2005 3:25:40 PM PDT by ct235
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Yet most of those political and philosophical positions are utterly rejected by the mass of Americans. They don't agree with you! Your ideas scare them!

Or maybe you can catch more flies with honey then with vinegar.

Maybe the condescending tone in which such ideas are delivered just grates.

Texas Representative Ron Paul has stated that, "American history, a least in part, is a history of people who don't like being told what to do."

Now take that a step further.

8 posted on 10/09/2005 3:28:03 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Warning: Not a Romantic or hero worshiper. Attempts to tug at my heartstrings annoy me... and I bite)
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In New Hampshire, by contrast, the right to openly carry personal firearms is enshrined in the state constitution

I believe that you are thinking of Vermont.

I don't have much use for the Free Staters. They have rejected one of their own who is protesting the horrible Kelo decision (see 6th paragraph from the bottom of the article in http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1496267/posts )

9 posted on 10/09/2005 3:28:12 PM PDT by kidd
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Don't waste your time. Despite the pollyanna attitudes of the Free Staters, I wouldn't recommend this area to anyone. $500 to $800 (or worse) to register a new car; astronomical property taxes; and housing costs three times the national average. Then there is the cost of heating...we just filled our tank for the first time this season, and almost dropped dead from sticker shock. It will get worse, much worse, in the coming years. My wife is from here, and she can't wait to get out. (Got wood stove? You'll need it.) NH is being overrun by liberals from all the surrounding states; The French are pouring in from socialist Quebec. (If you like the condenscending arrogance that drives Rush Limbaugh straight up a wall; you'll love it here.) Democrats have made tremendous inroads into the State Legislature. Did I mention the devastating floods in the Keene area this weekend? New Hampshire? No, thanks.


10 posted on 10/09/2005 3:40:04 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (New England...the Sodom and Gomorrah of the 21st Century, and they're proud of it!)
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To: ct235

I just wondering when the libertarians will make their own website and get off our conservative website.


11 posted on 10/09/2005 3:42:02 PM PDT by bmwcyle (We broke Pink's Code and found a terrorist message)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Maybe the fundamental failure of libertarianism is its foolish model of reality.

The libertarian believes there was some golden age of rugged individualism that we deviated from. There never was. There was an age in which social services were provided by large extended families so you had small governments. The problem, which libertarians refuse to see, is that you can only have large extended families in traditional, religious cultures. Not the secular individualistic cultures that libertarians want. A secular, individualistic culture will only have two child families and a two child family culture will look to the state for relief in confronting sickness and old age. In a two child family culture there aren't enough hands to do the 24-7 job of looking after Grandma.

To have a 1900 state you have to have a 1900 culture and society.


12 posted on 10/09/2005 3:43:09 PM PDT by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: rcofdayton
All of New England should be sundered from the Nation.

Couldn't agree more. I have remarked in the past that it would be best for America if we could attach a large (really BIG) tow chain to Cape Cod, and drag the whole mess out into the North Atlantic, where NE could be allowed to drift aimlessly, bringing no further harm to the rest of the country. The liberal cancer spreading into the South and West has its roots in the tumor that is New England. Conservatives still remaining in New England are living in a pollyannaverse of denial...the liberals OWN New England; lock, stock, and barrel.

13 posted on 10/09/2005 3:50:53 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (New England...the Sodom and Gomorrah of the 21st Century, and they're proud of it!)
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To: kidd

Nope. In Vermont you can carry concealed without a license. In New Hampshire anyone can carry *openly*, but you must have a license to carry concealed.


14 posted on 10/09/2005 3:58:48 PM PDT by ct235
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To: who knows what evil?

Agent provocateur alert. Why don't you talk to the 400 or more Free Staters who have already moved to New Hampshire. They uniformly love it. If you don't believe it, go to the FSP website and read some of their stories. If *you* don't like it, certainly you're free to go...but I haven't talked to a single person who has moved to the Free State and regretted the move, and I've talked to dozens if not scores of them.


15 posted on 10/09/2005 4:01:30 PM PDT by ct235
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Agent provocateur alert.

Geez...is that all you people up here do is throw labels around when somebody injects the 'other side' of the argument regarding your so-called 'libertarian' paradise? The 400 Free Staters love it here is because they are part of a cause...they are desperate for it to succeed, and are going to ignore the blemishes as a result. Simple as that. The statements I made are true. You know as well as I do that many of the locals are quite hostile to the FSP. (Reference Grafton, among others.) If people are willing to put up those flaws; G-d bless them. My wife is from here; I have lived in this area on and off for years; and we both believe the grass is greener elsewhere; especially for conservatives. Back to a warmer, friendlier, and LESS EXPENSIVE Tennessee; good luck with your 'project'.

16 posted on 10/09/2005 4:21:45 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (New England...the Sodom and Gomorrah of the 21st Century, and they're proud of it!)
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To: bmwcyle
I just wondering when the libertarians will make their own website and get off our conservative website.

Oh wow..I'm guessing you're a True Conservative©?

17 posted on 10/09/2005 4:25:11 PM PDT by JasonSC
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To: ct235

Libertarians should pool their money and go to the moon and live by themselves.


18 posted on 10/09/2005 4:34:55 PM PDT by Pittsburg Phil
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To: who knows what evil?

I am a conservative, who leans libertarian. I like the idea of the libertarians gathering in one place to have a strong voting bloc. Not to mention, this will help keep NH from being a blue state. (this chaps DU's ass as they blame the election on NH LOL). Keep it up free staters. I hope some real positive results come out of this.


19 posted on 10/09/2005 4:42:36 PM PDT by mosquitobite (What we permit; we promote. ~ Mark Sanford for President!)
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To: ct235; freepatriot32

Bump to freepatriot


20 posted on 10/09/2005 4:43:38 PM PDT by mosquitobite (What we permit; we promote. ~ Mark Sanford for President!)
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