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Free Trade and an Emerging Revolutionary Planet
Vive le Canada ^ | Saturday, October 08 2005 | Robin Mathews

Posted on 10/09/2005 10:01:22 AM PDT by Willie Green

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But, in general, the protective system of our day is conservative, while the free trade system is destructive. It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade.

~Karl Marx, "On the Question of Free Trade" - January 9, 1848


1 posted on 10/09/2005 10:01:25 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green

Amazing. Unreconstructed Marxist balderdash circa 1850, mixed with a generous dollop of socialist autarky nonsense from circa 1930. Don't these Lefties ever get anything _new_ to rant about?


2 posted on 10/09/2005 10:03:28 AM PDT by Trimegistus
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To: Willie Green
"As the Free Trade noose tightens, . . ."

Wow.

Leave it to the lefties to engage a blatant full frontal oxy-moronic statement for their opening premise.

3 posted on 10/09/2005 10:04:45 AM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Willie Green
obscenely wealthy and criminal oligarchs


4 posted on 10/09/2005 10:15:35 AM PDT by A. Pole (The Lord: "Where is Abel thy brother?" Cain: "I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?")
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To: Willie Green

Thanks for that neo communist garbage. If you oppose free trade why not be brave enough to say you hate freedom.


5 posted on 10/09/2005 10:16:49 AM PDT by freeforall
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To: Willie Green
Not for commercial use.

Isn't that just like a Communist.
6 posted on 10/09/2005 10:17:03 AM PDT by counterpunch (Save the GOP - withdraw Miers now)
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To: A. Pole
You forgot this one:


7 posted on 10/09/2005 10:20:56 AM PDT by counterpunch (Save the GOP - withdraw Miers now)
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To: BenLurkin

More Marxist drivel : )


8 posted on 10/09/2005 10:21:47 AM PDT by calrighty ( Terrorists are like cockroaches . Kill em all soon, so they can find out there ain't no virgins)
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To: A. Pole

obscenely wealthy and criminal oligarchs

Like Ford, Edison, the Wright Brothers and Carnagie.
Perhaps, you can inform me of the great inventions from 1945 to 1990 that came from your beloved commie countries. You can say it... you hate freedom too!


9 posted on 10/09/2005 10:21:51 AM PDT by freeforall
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To: Willie Green
Actually, the writer does have some good points. If the only comparative advantage one has is that it has people who will work for 28 cents an hours, then it's *wage arbitrage*, not free trade.
10 posted on 10/09/2005 10:27:20 AM PDT by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart.)
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To: Willie Green

Bump, a good read. thanks.


11 posted on 10/09/2005 10:34:26 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: freeforall

Gentlemen:
You are on the right track. You reject abstract theories and little regard for abundance and low prices. You concern yourselves mainly with the fate of the producer. You wish to free him from foreign competition, that is, to reserve the domestic market for domestic industry.

We come to offer you a wonderful opportunity for your -- what shall we call it? Your theory? No, nothing is more deceptive than theory. Your doctrine? Your system? Your principle? But you dislike doctrines, you have a horror of systems, as for principles, you deny that there are any in political economy; therefore we shall call it your practice -- your practice without theory and without principle.

We are suffering from the ruinous competition of a rival who apparently works under conditions so far superior to our own for the production of light that he is flooding the domestic market with it at an incredibly low price; for the moment he appears, our sales cease, all the consumers turn to him, and a branch of French industry whose ramifications are innumerable is all at once reduced to complete stagnation. This rival, which is none other than the sun, is waging war on us so mercilessly we suspect he is being stirred up against us by perfidious Albion (excellent diplomacy nowadays!), particularly because he has for that haughty island a respect that he does not show for us [1].

http://bastiat.org/en/petition.html


12 posted on 10/09/2005 11:03:40 AM PDT by freeforall
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"obscenely wealthy and criminal oligarchs"

Like Ford, Edison, the Wright Brothers and Carnagie.

Why? "Ford, Edison, the Wright Brothers and Carnagie" were the good guys.

Perhaps, you can inform me of the great inventions from 1945 to 1990 that came from your beloved commie countries.

So what exactly Al Capone, Khodorkovsky, Bagsik etc invented?

You can say it... you hate freedom too!

You would like Al Capone to enjoy freedom?

13 posted on 10/09/2005 11:11:03 AM PDT by A. Pole (The Lord: "Where is Abel thy brother?" Cain: "I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?")
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To: A. Pole

The person who wrote that article is a typical Canadian hater of all Capitalists and to him Edison is the same as Al Capone.


14 posted on 10/09/2005 11:29:13 AM PDT by freeforall
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To: investigateworld

Free trade raises wages in the poorest countries, creating a consumer middle class. It is happening in Mexico, India, Haiti, and many other countries where poverty is the result of lack of opportunity rather than opressive governments.
Free Trade creates opportunity for the poorest countries to insource based on undeveloped resources. Free Trade is less adventagious for wealthy countries as it challenges their production to become more competative.
Wealthy economies tend to become lazy and bloated when their governments protect them from market-place economics.
The problem for the author is his unwillingness to allow change to occur. Thus he makes a to-do about environmental plunder, removing wage protections, and falsities about the impact on poor nations. His bogeymen are those who create production, jobs and industry. More simpering from the left.


15 posted on 10/09/2005 11:36:45 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (THIS IS WAR AND I MEAN TO WIN IT.)
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To: freeforall
to him Edison is the same as Al Capone

What about you, are Al Capone, Khodorkovsky, Bagsik same as Edison in your eyes?

16 posted on 10/09/2005 11:43:15 AM PDT by A. Pole (The Lord: "Where is Abel thy brother?" Cain: "I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?")
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To: Willie Green
until the strangling grip is broken completely or until the despotism of obscenely wealthy and criminal oligarchs feeding off an increasingly destitute and dehumanized world population

I must have missed the article that showed the world was becoming increasingly destitute. Do you have a link?

17 posted on 10/09/2005 11:48:59 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with Marx, the AFL-CIO and E.P.I. please stop calling yourself a conservative!!)
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To: investigateworld

So do you believe that it is fundamentally wrong for anyone to offer to perform a given task for less pay than someone else wants to receive to perform that task?


18 posted on 10/09/2005 11:49:25 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: A. Pole

I think that GNP/cap has doubled in the third world in the last 30 years and several big economies appear to be in take off. When people talk about these low wage manufacturers I remember how we used to have the same complaints about Japan in the 60's. No more.


19 posted on 10/09/2005 11:59:46 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: A. Pole

Capone made money from Alcohol prohibition and yes he was evil as was prohibition. As for Khodorkovsky and Bagsik, I can not comment on the (de)merits of each. Capone became rich because of anti trade legislation.


20 posted on 10/09/2005 12:03:30 PM PDT by freeforall
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