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To: RogueIsland; blowfish
Michael Behe:

By irreducibly complex I mean a single system composed of several well-matched, interacting parts that contribute to the basic function, wherein the removal of any one of the parts causes the system to effectively cease functioning. An irreducibly complex system cannot be produced directly (that is, by continuously improving the initial function, which continues to work by the same mechanism) by slight, successive modifications of a precursor system, because any precursor to an irreducibly complex system that is missing a part is by definition nonfunctional.

426 posted on 10/11/2005 4:22:17 PM PDT by bondserv (God governs our universe and has seen fit to offer us a pardon. †)
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To: RogueIsland; blowfish
Here are two stories that will give a little perspective.

The Theory of Evolution is like attributing the production of a sandcastle to the ocean because you observed the water creating the mote.

Two men become stranded on a remote island. As they explore the island they come upon a sandcastle with towers, buttresses and a drawbridge. The design of the castle is amazingly intricate.

One man comments, "It is amazing what time and the ocean can create. The small rocks and seashells on the shore must have got caught in eddies and swirled around and chiseled out that castle. There were a few palm leaves floating by that scribed out the little lines that look like bricks. We are alone here and there is no need to consider anything else."

The other man looked at him incredulously and said, "No, obviously that castle was created by another intelligent being with a clear intent of design, we are not alone. The engineering required to create the castle is far to sophisticated to have originated by natural means."

Another story:

There was a bank robbery and the perp drove off in a Blue Malibu. There are many Blue Malibu's, but this Blue Malibu had a dented right front fender. There are some Blue Malibu's with dented right front fenders, but this one had Arizona plates. There are some Blue Malibu's with dented right front fenders, and with Arizona plates, but this one also had no hubcaps. There are fewer Blue Malibu's with dented right front fenders, and with Arizona plates, and no hubcaps, but this one had a broken right front headlight. There may be a couple Blue Malibu's with dented right front fenders, and with Arizona plates, and no hubcaps, and a broken right front headlight, but this one also had a primer hood.

The above described car was found parked in front of a house 2 miles from the bank. Even though a person could explain away a few of the characteristics of the car, with the amount of evidence to the contrary, there is no doubt the car was used in the robbery.

Evolutionists try to explain away the evidence by specifying what they will discuss or debate (the prevailing tactic of TalkOrigins). Narrow the discussion like OJ Simpson's lawyers. When one steps back from the discussion and considers all of the evidence involved, the obvious can be seen (like everyone outside the courtroom did during the OJ trial). Science has relegated itself to a courtroom and has lost it's way.

428 posted on 10/11/2005 4:50:43 PM PDT by bondserv (God governs our universe and has seen fit to offer us a pardon. †)
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To: RogueIsland; blowfish
Here are two stories that will give a little perspective.

The Theory of Evolution is like attributing the production of a sandcastle to the ocean because you observed the water creating the mote.

Two men become stranded on a remote island. As they explore the island they come upon a sandcastle with towers, buttresses and a drawbridge. The design of the castle is amazingly intricate.

One man comments, "It is amazing what time and the ocean can create. The small rocks and seashells on the shore must have got caught in eddies and swirled around and chiseled out that castle. There were a few palm leaves floating by that scribed out the little lines that look like bricks. We are alone here and there is no need to consider anything else."

The other man looked at him incredulously and said, "No, obviously that castle was created by another intelligent being with a clear intent of design, we are not alone. The engineering required to create the castle is far to sophisticated to have originated by natural means."

Another story:

There was a bank robbery and the perp drove off in a Blue Malibu. There are many Blue Malibu's, but this Blue Malibu had a dented right front fender. There are some Blue Malibu's with dented right front fenders, but this one had Arizona plates. There are some Blue Malibu's with dented right front fenders, and with Arizona plates, but this one also had no hubcaps. There are fewer Blue Malibu's with dented right front fenders, and with Arizona plates, and no hubcaps, but this one had a broken right front headlight. There may be a couple Blue Malibu's with dented right front fenders, and with Arizona plates, and no hubcaps, and a broken right front headlight, but this one also had a primer hood.

The above described car was found parked in front of a house 2 miles from the bank. Even though a person could explain away a few of the characteristics of the car, with the amount of evidence to the contrary, there is no doubt the car was used in the robbery.

Evolutionists try to explain away the evidence by specifying what they will discuss or debate (the prevailing tactic of TalkOrigins). Narrow the discussion like OJ Simpson's lawyers. When one steps back from the discussion and considers all of the evidence involved, the obvious can be seen (like everyone outside the courtroom did during the OJ trial). Science has relegated itself to a courtroom and has lost it's way.

429 posted on 10/11/2005 4:51:43 PM PDT by bondserv (God governs our universe and has seen fit to offer us a pardon. †)
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To: bondserv
An irreducibly complex system cannot be produced directly (that is, by continuously improving the initial function, which continues to work by the same mechanism) by slight, successive modifications of a precursor system, because any precursor to an irreducibly complex system that is missing a part is by definition nonfunctional.

And you can cite an example of an organic system that can't work with slightly modified parts?

430 posted on 10/11/2005 4:57:47 PM PDT by donh
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