Dover, PA Evolution Trial [daily thread for 07 Oct]

York Daily Record ^ | 07 October 2005 | Staff

[bobdsmith]

wit

[mlc9852]

Nope.

[ronnieb]

I will suggest to you that waving the bloody shirt of religous extremism of centuries well gone by, is tiresome.
Automatically writing yourself into that history as being on the side of the good is worse. The 20th century saw the murder of between 50 and 100 million people by secular governments. Governments that swore to protect their people from the evils of religion, among other things. Governments that outlawed religion. Personally I am more frightened by those that hate religion than the religious. I might have felt differently in the 15th century, and differently again in he 12th century, but hey I live in the 21st century. As far as your demands for proof. That is funny you offer none whatsover for you views, you simply defame religious people in the name of an incomplete and highly edited historical perspective. Than you wave your arm and demand the names of ten scientists that have published serious articles with numerous qualifiers supplied by you. You haven't done it and neither will I. In any case your entire response was just littered with bad prose lurid imagery of people being burned at the stake, etc. and isn't worthy of a line by line refutation

[b_sharp]

Why?

[whattajoke]

I just want to pursue the truth

Great! Looking forward to reading/watching your progression as a student of evolution! Welcome, mlc9852!

[RunningWolf]

I thought I was the only one that noticed that /sarc>

What I have asked (that is never answered) is

Now I ask you.. evo prognosticator, and pertaining to (specifically what I call the cult of of cosmology and evolution).. Do the writings here of (and several of the rest on these threads) represent the best methodology, the logic, the most astute thinking, the core of scientists & science? Or are these things just the world as an evo prognosticator sees it? Or both?

Wolf

[VadeRetro]

Since it was written BY Behe, I wouldn't expect it to reflect poorly on him.

Not directly, as in saying, "That Behe is a charlatan!" It has been noted, however, that many of his writings reflect poorly upon him in the sense of revealing ignorance of his subject matter, etc.

[longshadow]

Dembski isn't all of intellegent design, perhaps about 25% though.

Surely more than enough to qualify him as an expert on the question of how Intelligent Design is related to religion.

;-)

Which reminds me, have I mentioned what Dembski reportedly said on the topic?

"Intelligent design is just the Logos theology of John's Gospel restated in the idiom of information theory," William Dembski, one of the movement's chief proponents, said in a 1999 interview in Touchstone, a Christian magazine that Forrest cited in her testimony.

[emphasis added]
source: http://ydr.com/story/doverbiology/88606/

The only open question is whether or not Dembski was telling the truth when he said that (I discount the possibility that the quote is inaccurate, since the defense surely would have presented rebuttal evidence to that effect were it case, which they haven't.)

As for Dembski's truthfulness about the faith-based origins of ID, all I can say is that while he arguably might have a motive to suppress the connection (to get the subject into schools), I can think of no corresponding reason for him to claim ID has faith-based origins if that weren't the case. What, pray tell, would he gain by claiming that if it were not true?

[VadeRetro]

You mean the answers laced with words like "possibly", "probably, "likely", etc?

Science is not religion. It is not discussed in the same terms as religion. Science can be wrong for decades. Nevetheless, it relentlessly converges upon an increasingly accurate model of nature. That's what the course corrections and revisions do. It's worked so far.

Against that, all the dogmatic religions in the world save possibly one--but I wouldn't bet on that and, anyway, who knows WHICH one?--are wrong now and will be wrong forever.

[VadeRetro]

Here's a link I have stored under Feathered Dinosaurs still working as of 7 Oct. It isn't just Archaeopteryx anymore.

[longshadow]

.... dogmatic religions in the world save possibly one ....

Ahhhh; you, too, have been touched by His Noodly Appendage!

Ramen! (Arrrrrr; shivver me timbers! Avast ye pasta-challenged infidels!)

[VadeRetro]

The side-rippling features on that thing remind me of Anomalocaris, itself a rather odd creature thought perhaps transitional from lobopod worms to arthropods.

[VadeRetro]

Spaghetti white clam sauce again last night. The atmosphere is non-existent, but the food is paysano, the staff lovely and charming. If I get anymore of His Noodly Appendage, Ted Kennedy will one day look at me and say, "Man, you got to start taking care of yourself!"

[mlc9852]

It sounds like it would be very time-consuming but also interesting. Maybe someone more qualified than I would rise to the challenge.

[balrog666]

Wrong again. Can't you get anything right?

[PatrickHenry]

Here's a link I have stored under Feathered Dinosaurs still working as of 7 Oct. It isn't just Archaeopteryx anymore.

Thanks, but I'm too lazy to revise The List-O-Links right now. I've put in way too much time on the new clickable index. I've noted, however, that my old link is dead.

[VadeRetro]

I tell ya, everything I do here is pearls before swine ... no offense!

[PatrickHenry]

... no offense!

No, of course not. You're from West Virginia. Gotta make allowances.

[mlc9852]

You are always so serious.

[VadeRetro]

Gotta make allowances.

Thanks for reminding me. Please tell Darwin Central I need an increase in my allowance.