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Home fire kindles debate about rural fire protection (For wont of fee FD lets house burn)
KRON 4 ^ | October 7, 2005

Posted on 10/07/2005 4:21:06 AM PDT by Gordon Pym

INTERNATIONAL FALLS, Minn. There's outrage in northern Minnesota after firefighters allowed a man's mobile home to burn.

Carl Berg had failed to pay the 25-dollar annual fee required for fire protection for homes outside International Falls city limits.

Berg says he couldn't afford the fee or fire insurance. He says he lost everything in last month's fire.

The Fire Department poured enough water to put the fire out temporarily and make sure everyone was safe. But when the blaze rekindled later, firefighters let the flames destroy what was left.

Fire Chief Jerry Jensen says he doesn't want to see that happen again. He says a firefighter's job is to "put out fires, not to watch them burn."

Local officials have been haggling for two years over how to pay for fire protection.


TOPICS: Political Humor/Cartoons; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: burndown; fire; protectionmoney
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Pay up or your house may burn down -- dat would be a shame.
1 posted on 10/07/2005 4:21:07 AM PDT by Gordon Pym
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Gee; I bet he wished he spent that $25 on insurance instead of beer now.

No sympathy here. If you let a few off without paying then pretty soon the VFD is without money to operate. Cutting service to those who do pay.

Life's hard; it's harder when you're stupid.


2 posted on 10/07/2005 4:28:56 AM PDT by PeteB570
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To: Gordon Pym

This guy couldn't afford to pay First Responders 50 cents a week.


I don't often say this but I'm glad they let this guy's MH burn.



3 posted on 10/07/2005 4:30:20 AM PDT by netmilsmom (God blessed me with a wonderful husband.)
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To: netmilsmom

Around here the volunteer ambulance/paramedic operation asks for $25/year. If you pay and you need an ambulance, no charge, otherwise you get a big bill


4 posted on 10/07/2005 4:34:51 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: Gordon Pym

This is the second post of this event that I have seen. In http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1497623/posts I wrote

No fire insurance so the house burns. No 'hurricane' insurance so N. O. LA goes away. Both 'victims' want to be made well at public expense. A perfect metaphorical (small to large) analogy.


5 posted on 10/07/2005 4:35:32 AM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: PeteB570

I have to disagree with you here. We have a rural volunteer EMS/VFD and have had an ongoing problem of funding. Unfortunately, a good percent of the problem has to do with poor management and kickbacks which results in folks not wanting to contribute. However, their largest expense is for tourists or weekenders who do not contribute a dime.

On the other hand, $25 isn't that much. We're asked for $200 which can be a lot for some.


6 posted on 10/07/2005 4:35:51 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: SauronOfMordor

I see nothing wrong with that.

God Bless our First Responders!


7 posted on 10/07/2005 4:36:26 AM PDT by netmilsmom (God blessed me with a wonderful husband.)
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To: Gordon Pym
Carl Berg had failed to pay the 25-dollar annual fee required for fire protection for homes outside International Falls city limits.

When I was growing up, our VFD's fee was $2.00 per year outside of the city limits. Our VFD would let homes burn if they were too cheap to pay the fee.

8 posted on 10/07/2005 4:44:08 AM PDT by JoeGar
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To: mtbopfuyn
I just believe that a system should be self supporting.

Everybody on FR complains about taxes but any payment made to any public service by a city, county, state or the federal government came from money collected from somebody else.

If the rule in an area is pay $25 for a years worth of fire protection or your house burns to the ground if it catches fire then that's the rule.

Like I said before, if a few quite paying then the word gets around and more quite paying. Soon the EMS/VFD service is well short of money and services to the people who are paying are impacted.

By the way, I have city EMS/Fire protection, included in my taxes, but I throw money in the "boot" for local VFDs collecting for their areas and they also have some great BBQ plate fund raisers. For some reason my car goes on auto pilot when I see a Fire Truck and a BBQ plate sign together.
9 posted on 10/07/2005 4:47:32 AM PDT by PeteB570
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They should modify the rules. The Fireman should put out all fires, but treat the $25 bucks as a fire permit. Those fires that don't have a permit in advance, pay for the firefighting, some hourly rate, plus equip rental and materials and a fine... Pay $25 in advance, or $thousands afterwards.

I wonder what the insurance company would think if they knew they intentionally did not pay the $25?

10 posted on 10/07/2005 4:57:39 AM PDT by evolved_rage (Just nitpicking.)
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They don't say what started the fire. Interesting. I've heard and lived next to many people over the years who (whine) "can't afford _______" and yet can but cigs, videos, beer, candy, order out for pizza and subs (delivered), etc. I highly doubt that he really couldn't afford it. At the risk incurring the ire of people who live in trailer homes, we have a friend who lived in an old trailer that caught on fire and there was not much left of it even though the FD got there in reasonable time. It burned like a torch. This article doesn't say what was left after the first time it was put out. Could be that by the time they got there again, there wasn't anything worth saving. Also, I've heard that even with a house fire, if there's one wall still standing, the ins. co. doesn't consider it a total loss and won't give you the full value of the house, so sometimes if it's bad enough they let it finish so the owner can get the full insurance payment. Anyone know any more about this?


11 posted on 10/07/2005 5:11:08 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: evolved_rage
Here is a link to the fire company that put the fire out the first time..http://www.ci.international-falls.mn.us/fireb.htm

The department is a "combination dept" meaning that there are full time "paid" fire fighters and the rest are volunteers. In my opinion, the tax payers of International Falls are paying for the salaries of the paid members. This and the other expenses of running the fire co are the reasons why the outlying areas are asked to pay a yearly fee.

The owner of this trailer is very lucky that they put the fire out the first time. Having seen a few trailer fires, I doubt there was much left of it before the re-kindle. I have never heard of a home owner re building a trailer that had a fire althought I'm sure it has been done, they just to flimsy to fix.

The home owner is a first class jerk and ingrate. His house was a total loss after the first fire, why should the fire co put out any effort when this guy is too cheap to throw the fire co $25.00 and the house was already gone? Some structure fires are loosers plain and simple. This house was a looser.

Tom

12 posted on 10/07/2005 5:19:06 AM PDT by fatboy
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To: Gordon Pym

the guy knew the rules. no pay no save. if you don't pay for insurance, how can you expect to be covered?


13 posted on 10/07/2005 5:45:35 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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To: evolved_rage

if you put it the way you propose, one can play the odds and never pay - knowing the chances of his needing the service is relatively small - therefore why pay when you can get the service anyway? Revenue would drop as word got out.

but if service is needed, do you really think that a guy who wouldn't pony up 25 bucks will pay thousands? Especially when he has repair/replacement bills to contend with and little assets? so there would be little or no reimbursement.


14 posted on 10/07/2005 5:50:37 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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You could be right, but at some point a saleable asset will appear, even if its a charred piece of land that the trailer sat upon.... Unless its a houseboat that sinks after the fire.


15 posted on 10/07/2005 6:03:24 AM PDT by evolved_rage (Just nitpicking.)
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To: Gordon Pym

He should have been more careful with his matches.


16 posted on 10/07/2005 6:09:13 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: Gordon Pym

Guy sounds like a real deadbeat

Too mnay people are freeloaders

When the volunteer suburban have a fund raising drive( my nephew was involved ) they get about 35% participation despite the fact they are saving homeowners $$$$ in salary taxes etc


17 posted on 10/07/2005 6:10:57 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: metmom
" if there's one wall still standing, the ins. co. doesn't consider it a total loss"

The local building inspector determines total loss. The State will come down on boneheaded crooks attempting to operate as a legitimate business.

18 posted on 10/07/2005 6:14:20 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: evolved_rage

so you're in favor of taking someomne's land after they get burned out of their homes.

that'll sell politically.


19 posted on 10/07/2005 6:14:38 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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To: camle
Thats the point, they can vote on whether to do it or not. I'm only suggesting that for those who won't pay $25 but want their house protected when a fire occurs, like the jerk in the article, be required to pay for the protection at the point of service. Afterwards, if they can't pay for the service, then attach the land, sell it, and if anything is left over, refund it to the owner. Perhaps they could offer a waiver, "I won't pay $25, please don't come." and be done with it.
20 posted on 10/07/2005 6:23:15 AM PDT by evolved_rage
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