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>>> Civil War and Holocaust analogy...but we can't prove it in the same way you can prove a mathematical theorem.<<< (spliced quote)

"It is absurd, the linkage that is"

First of all, it's creationists who bring up the Civil War and Holocaust in an attempt to say we only know things about the past out of faith, so evolution is faith. Secondly, nice splicing of YOUR quote with MINE. Thirdly, you CAN'T prove the Civil War happened in the same way you prove a mathematical theorem. But you would be a fool to ignore the mountains of PHYSICAL evidence that it happened.

"When I up to approx 10 years old I still had great great family members who had first and second hand accounts for the Civil War.

I was trying to show you that events might not leave physical evidence that is lasting & not ephemeral.

Nonsense. First and second hand accounts would mean nothing without the existing physical evidence we have of the Civil War. You speak as if your family member's recollections are all the evidence that exists. So now that they are dead, is there no more evidence that the Civil War happened? I never met anybody who lived then; does that mean I have no reason to believe it happened? Personal recollections and testimony are notoriously unreliable sources of evidence anyway.

"evo insists that evidence in the world is evidence of what its prognosticators 'see'""

No, it doesn't. It says that evidence in the world today can be evidence for the past. Unlike Creationists, evolutionists demand that physical evidence be present before making conclusions.

" Like I said about your demand for proof-evidence (you interchange the words) of this event."

I asked for physical evidence, not proof. Can't you read?

" One minute you said it is a moot point because you have not received anything,..."

I haven't. What are you waiting for?

"the next minute you refuse to define what that something might be for you other than it is 'physical'."

It is your burden to give the nature of the physical evidence, not mine. I know of no physical evidence for the Resurrection; I assumed you knew of some. If you know of none, such say so.

"This is circular, you demand physical proof-evidence for an event (when I have shown that physical evidence for events might not last very long) and then refused to say what you would accept for physical evidence, I doubt you will move from that dichotomy."

I asked for physical evidence, not *proof-evidence*; that's your dishonest creation. It's not circular, nobody has shown ANY physical evidence is all. What IS circular is your evasion of the question; what physical evidence is there for the Resurrection?

"Events do not necessarily leave any lasting evidence."

True. A great many events do though. Such as the evolutionary record. Or the Civil War. Or the Big Bang.

"Also you seem to have no problem accepting theoretical events as long as they came from Gamow or Darwin or whoever."

Because they pointed to real physical evidence, evidence that has only grown since the Origin of Species and the formulation of the Big Bang Theory a hundred years later.

"That Evolution you see in the physical phenomena of the world reveals more about the mindset preordained conclusion of the ('scientists here?) than the evidence."

So YOU say.

"You keep calling me a creationist."

You are.

"I tell you that you do not have to be anything at all to see all the holes in your evo, what a flimsy house of cards it is."

Deep analysis. That all you got?

"You mention being laughed at by scientists. Based upon the performance of the scientists?, here I have little concern about how many scientists laugh at me."

We already knew you were insulated from reality. We do this for the lurkers who may actually take the time to think about these things.

>>> Civil War and Holocaust analogy...but we can't prove it in the same way you can prove a mathematical theorem.<<< (spliced quote)

That was not intended as a spliced quote, but the absurdity of the connection you make with these things is still there and actually you have used it if you go back to the start

You speak as if your family member's recollections are all the evidence that exists

You misinterpret what I spoke

I asked for physical evidence, not proof. Can't you read? #370 You have not presented one shred of positive physical proof the Resurrection happened

If you go back and read what you wrote, you will see that you have made this interchange.

You are so far all over the place. Again and finally, You say many things, most of them about as absurd as these declarations from you. I said am not a creationist, and I don't deride science. But if you are representing scientists in the case for evolution, you are making a very poor showing for them.

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