Posted on 10/06/2005 5:04:43 AM PDT by gobucks
Wow, Tim. This is what being a President of a University is all about - telling what will and will not ever be spoken about within science classrooms. Re-education camps ... does anyone recall what those were?
> Re-education camps ... does anyone recall what those were?
Yup. Places where superstition was taught instead of science. Thus Tim is fighting agaisnt turning his school into such a camp.
Go Tim!
Is there and unfortunate pun in "... forbidding anything other than evolution from being taught in the Moscow school's life, earth and physical science classes."? Or have I pushed the definition of 'pun' too far?
It's interesting that "academic freedom" only seems to apply to the leftist agenda. I wonder what the University President could do if a tenured science professor told him to go fish?
"Professor, please explain the evolution of sight and how the eye, optic nerve, and sight center of the brain all conveniently developed at the same time, even though none of them had any use without the other two."
"Yup. Places where superstition was taught instead of science."
Nope. They were places that leftists operated, and if you failed to rethink according to the reeducation you were killed.
It started, however, with edicts like Tim's.
This is no surprise, one minute on the evolution threads make it clear who reigns supreme over origin of the species.
Funny it came from Moscow .... and now, it isn't too far at all.
'go fish'
there is a pun in there! LOL!!
Higher Learning in America mired in dogma....
Funny, I don't recall anyone proposing to teach ID or creationism as an established fact.
To humanists, any suggestion of uncertainty in any element of evolution is unforgivable.
That is a creationist red herring. If you learn about evolution, you will learn why your question doesn't make sense.
From PH's list of links:
http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/eye.html
Or "pound sand" :-).
ping time?
I back this university professor whole heartedly. It's about time univeristies start standing up for the integrity of their science departments and to keep the ID nonsense out of places it does not belong. It is philosophy at best, but has absolutely no credibilty as science. If it is taught as science, it will only confuse what is the meaning of science and will denigrate all scientific disciplines. The bar has to be lowered to accept ID as science and creationists are trying to do it through intellectual affermative action. The creatisonsts and IDer's only want to keep people ignorant.
"I back this university professor whole heartedly."
In this case - and it is a step up in the profile of this conflict don't you think? - it is a University President.
Do you think administrators should have the authority to determine content for every course in every discipline, or just this individual instance?
That link is full of lies and distortions. And to think Christians would deliberately lie to people! Here is an example from the very first parapgraph:
"Creationists have often pointed out that evolution is unscientific because it can never be proved by science to be true. It is not happening at present and without a time machine, they can never be sure that it happened in the past."
This is a classic example of creationist nonsense. Scientific theories are never proved, ever. This shows creationists are so ignorant of science that they can't even talk about it up front. They also say evolution is not happeneing now. Even when they get sick from the next avian flue pandemic, they will still not believe this new virus evolved right in front of them! And the last sentence is nonsense, too. Evolution does not require a time machine to be validated. There are millions of testable predictions made by evolution and evolution has been sustained by every one.
This administrator is expressing the philosophy of the university. He is not setting specific course requirements. That comes from the faculty of the various departments and schools. I'm sure the various science departments prompted the administration to take this needed stand. It is an embarrassment than a crationsist would be on the science faculty, even if it is in the Dept. of Agriculture and not Biology.
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