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DRUDGE ABCNEWS: UNPRECEDENTED SECURITY BREACH; SPY AT WHITE HOUSE!
Drudge ^ | 10/05/05 | DRUDGE

Posted on 10/05/2005 3:33:32 PM PDT by el_chupacabra

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To: llevrok
>A Marine wouldn't do that. A poser would


Well, this Marine once
defected to Russia. (And
some other weird things!)

501 posted on 10/06/2005 12:16:19 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: narby

I was struggling to remember that name, thanks.

The big Chinese contributor, Charlie Tree was it? I'm sure he spent so much time in the white house because he was a valuable adviser.


502 posted on 10/06/2005 12:54:04 PM PDT by HonestConservative (Bless our Servicemen!)
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To: TeleStraightShooter

Quite possible


503 posted on 10/06/2005 1:10:31 PM PDT by RedMonqey (Life is hard. It's even harder when you're stupid.)
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To: buwaya

I'm probably too cynical, but I've been wondering whether the publication of this spy case isn't designed to fortify Gloria's position by exposing her opponents as connivers. Certainly Bush seems to have an interest in buttressing Gloria - - witness the honored place she was given at the United Nations a few weeks ago.


504 posted on 10/06/2005 1:10:55 PM PDT by freedomdefender
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To: freedomdefender

Quite possible. She did offer to turn in the "Senior Government Officials" listed in the indictment. One of those is definitely Senator Panfilo Lacson. Thats one of her more prominent and dangerous enemies.


505 posted on 10/06/2005 1:15:04 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: brothers4thID
I'm asserting that your litmus for loyalty is skewed.

I never mentioned anything that can be construed as being a litmus test. I stated that there is a higher rate of disloyalty among immigrants compared to natives. I mentioned several reasons for this, you chose not to take issue with any of those factors that I brought up.

The most loyal citizen in the US could be one of its naturalized citizens, it's possible, but immigrants will be disloyal to their adopted country at a higher rate than natives will be disloyal to their native country.

"Litmus test" would have more to do with the question of "what is loyalty" and spying against your country shouldn't pass the litmus test for national loyalty.

506 posted on 10/06/2005 2:41:43 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis (How do we prevent someone from torching his city if he will be rewarded as a lottery winner?)
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To: brothers4thID
I'm asserting that your litmus for loyalty is skewed.

I never mentioned anything that can be construed as being a litmus test. I stated that there is a higher rate of disloyalty among immigrants compared to natives. I mentioned several reasons for this, you chose not to take issue with any of those factors that I brought up.

The most loyal citizen in the US could be one of its naturalized citizens, it's possible, but immigrants will be disloyal to their adopted country at a higher rate than natives will be disloyal to their native country.

"Litmus test" would have more to do with the question of "what is loyalty" and spying against your country shouldn't pass the litmus test for national loyalty.

507 posted on 10/06/2005 2:42:40 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis (How do we prevent someone from torching his city if he will be rewarded as a lottery winner?)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity; Bonaparte; ConservativeMan55; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; JulieRNR21; Cindy; ..
RE: "When US Secretary of Commerce Ron Brown was killed in a mysterious plane crash, he was replaced as Secretary of Commerce by Mickey Kantor – Lippo Group’s US lawyer. Kantor then appointed another Lippo executive to the Commerce Department.
...But GW Bush is guilty of unprecedented cronyism, uh huh."


'Teflon Effect' ping...

I just KNEW I'd seen this all 'explained' somewhere...but I wasn't sure if I could find it again for you...LOL   -SB

One entry found for: Teflon Effect:
Pronunciation:  'te-"flän   i-'fekt, e-, E-
 
It has been a long-observed phenomenon that, whenever an individual is sufficiently slimy, any criticism of that individual, regardless of the veracity of that criticism, or its amount, will merely slide off, without any measurable harm to its intended target. This is commonly known as the 'Teflon Effect'.
See also: Slick; Slick Willie; Hillary; Kennedy; Leahy; Byrd; Torricelli; Berger; Jack$on
 
Antonym: Velcro Effect
 
 

508 posted on 10/06/2005 10:32:28 PM PDT by Seadog Bytes ("Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist". George Carlin)
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To: Seadog Bytes

Thanks for the ping!


509 posted on 10/06/2005 10:35:27 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Seadog Bytes

[quibble -- there was a spy in a previous administration -- Deep Throat]

[quote]

In 2000, Aragoncillo worked on the staff of then-Vice President Al Gore. When interviewed by Philippine television, he remarked how valued Philippine employees were at the White House.

"I think what they like most is our integrity and loyalty," Aragoncillo said.

[unquote]

Apropos of nothing... Hemp rope lost out to synthetic replacements during WWII, when the Philippines were temporarily in Japanese hands.


510 posted on 10/06/2005 10:50:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: Alamo-Girl

Yes Ma'am.


511 posted on 10/07/2005 12:36:55 AM PDT by Seadog Bytes ("Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist". George Carlin)
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To: COEXERJ145

Soon,I predict very soon.


512 posted on 10/07/2005 12:55:00 AM PDT by patriciamary
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To: el_chupacabra

bttt


513 posted on 10/07/2005 5:59:52 AM PDT by Guenevere (God bless our military!...and God bless the President of the United States!)
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To: Garvin

The Marines ain't going to take care of this guy. He is an ex Marine, which means they have no more jurisdictiction over him. But I bet he will be dealt with.

I too am concerned about the loyalties of some of our naturalized citizens. If we went to war with their former governments how would they stand? Is this question ever asked of them, No, I am not painting all naturalized citizens as traitors. We have a lot of of homegrown traitors in this country to, the Walkers and Hansen come to mind.


514 posted on 10/07/2005 8:12:02 AM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: George Smiley

<< demonstrated in his casual abrogation of its First Amendment by his signing of McCain/Feingold; ...

I think that Bush played poker here and it was one of the rare times when he misread his hand.

If he hadn't signed it, even if he explained that he thought it wasn't constitutional (which *isn't* a role of the Executive Branch, last time I looked) the Democrats and the non-Republican wing of the Republican Party would have had a field day about corrupt Republican fat cats and their big corporate contributions (although, if you look at the numbers, the Dems get the majority of the large donations). I believe that he signed it, thinking

"there's not a snowball's chance in hell that the Supreme Court will rule that this is constitutional when it hits their desks, and it will definitely hit their desks."
And the Supreme Court failed to rule as he had anticipated. >>

Of course the Constitutionality of legislation is the Executive's concern and, come to that, the House's and the Senate's.

Every congressmsn and senator and president until the Socialist International's fellow-travelling traitor, F Roosevelt, hit town, examined every idea, draft and piece of legislation for its Constitutionality. And rejected it out of hand, usually at its conception or in draft form -- but most certainly before it passed a president's desk -- if its basis could not be found in our nation's founding law.

And until it began granting itself tyrannical dictatorial powers, none -- and most certainly not our beloved FRaternal republic's Founding Fathers -- saw the supreme court as ever either granting itself such powers as it presently excercises, as being allowed to so casually create "law" by fiat -- or of being a "co-equal" branch of government.

England's George W Three must spin in his grave with envy at the thought of weilding such power as that so scot-and-impeachment-free taken upon themselves by our [At one time] humble and trusted servants of the bench.

And, sad to say, on close to every occasion the United States Constitution has been his to examine, to comprehend, to be seen to be guided by and to owe allegiance to, Mr Bush has pretty clearly demonstrated little more understanding of, respect for and guidance by our Constitution's absolutes, rules and limitations -- including upon his office -- than that shown by the swimmer, by Joe Biden, by David Souter, by AlFRedo GoreLeone and/or by the ACLU's Ruth Bader Ginszberg.

McCain-Feingold, our Sovereign Borders and now the nomination of this Michael Brown in a dress being but the cases in point.

Blessings -- Brian


515 posted on 10/07/2005 8:42:36 AM PDT by Brian Allen (... we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: NautiNurse

I wonder how much classified information was stolen from Clinton and Bush Administrations?


516 posted on 10/07/2005 9:30:46 AM PDT by Milligan (Remember the Ant and Grasshoper Story)
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To: buwaya
As I understand it he is not a Muslim convert. He did it in the hope of a payoff. I.e., he was corrupt.

Thanks I took a lot of Guff just trying to get that question answered. Even got called Dude.

517 posted on 10/07/2005 12:58:09 PM PDT by itsahoot (Any country that does not control its borders, is not a country. Ronald Reagan)
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To: JoJo Gunn

Sheesh, what is it with ex-Marines and espionage? And sniping innocents (i.e. JFK, Muslim Sniper)??


518 posted on 10/07/2005 3:36:57 PM PDT by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: Vision
How old are you?

How old are you?

519 posted on 10/09/2005 12:13:54 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is merely Nazism without the snappy fashion sense.)
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To: always vigilant
"Moveon.org Conservatives" What idiot uses that phrase

Seems like the answer is "those with more loyalty to Bush than to America or the Constitution" (BushBots) but I can't be sure.

520 posted on 10/09/2005 9:43:23 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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