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Re-Creation of 1918-19 Virus Suggests Bigger Bird-Flu Threat
Wall Street Journal ^ | 10/05/05 | BETSY MCKAY

Posted on 10/05/2005 11:21:05 AM PDT by BurbankKarl

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1 posted on 10/05/2005 11:21:06 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

Ho hum.


2 posted on 10/05/2005 11:25:07 AM PDT by satchmodog9 (Free choice is not what it seems)
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Women and children hit hardest.......ACK!


3 posted on 10/05/2005 11:25:48 AM PDT by yobid (Don't pet the sweaty things.......)
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To: BurbankKarl

A little bird flu never hurt anybody.


4 posted on 10/05/2005 11:26:44 AM PDT by Altair333 (Stop illegal immigration: George Allen in 2008)
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To: BurbankKarl

Birds typically have a body temperature of 102. When suffering from a virus, their body temp can rise to 107 to fend off the virus.

Humans kill viruses by raising their body temperature to 102 or 103.

A bird-flu would likely survive temperatures of 104-105 which would cause irreparable damage to the human body.

This is the issue... a virus that is human-borne which can survive extreme body temperatures.


5 posted on 10/05/2005 11:34:37 AM PDT by Paloma_55 (Which part of "Common Sense" do you not understand???)
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A little bird flu never hurt anybody.

...except for the 50,000,000 or so people who died of it back around 1918.

6 posted on 10/05/2005 11:37:22 AM PDT by Max in Utah (By their works you shall know them.)
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To: BurbankKarl

If I get avian flu, I guess there's no point in eating chicken soup to recover.


7 posted on 10/05/2005 11:37:24 AM PDT by edpc
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To: Paloma_55

Aha, that explains why humans have such a hard time dealing with that sort of virus. Thanks for the info.


8 posted on 10/05/2005 11:39:19 AM PDT by Max in Utah (By their works you shall know them.)
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To: BurbankKarl

"Doomed, I tells ya, Doomed!"- Homer Simpson.


9 posted on 10/05/2005 11:41:45 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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I would hope the world is working on producing a vaccine 24 and 7 right now. This is no joking matter to be taken lightly. It should be getting every bit of funding that it needs.


10 posted on 10/05/2005 11:43:45 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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I wish I could get my hands on some of that 1918 stuff.  Excellent vintage.  The strain I picked up in Phnom Phen last month, that was good, nicely infectious, an assertive joint inflamation, but it lacked the sophisticated bouquet of the legendary 1918 illness.  Oh sure, there could be some mutations that make the 2005 Avian into an all time great pandemic, but I'm not optimistic.

Owl_Eagle

(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,

 it was probably sarcasm)

11 posted on 10/05/2005 11:48:04 AM PDT by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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Keep trying Owl, one day you will get the right combination to wipe out most of the world's population.
12 posted on 10/05/2005 11:51:23 AM PDT by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (People too weak to follow their own dreams, will always find a way to discourage yours.)
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To: BurbankKarl

Big Party at the Club of Rome's funhouse tonight.


13 posted on 10/05/2005 11:51:26 AM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: Paloma_55; All

How does the flu kill? Is it the high fever, fluid in the lungs, or something else?


14 posted on 10/05/2005 12:11:10 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: EagleUSA

The bird flue virus has not evolved to a human transmissable form, yet. until that happens, any vaccine developoed today would be specificn against the un-mutated bird virus and not the type that is extremely virulent against humans. Once that mutation has occurred, then vaccine development is possible. You can't create a vaccince for a disease that does not yet exist.


15 posted on 10/05/2005 12:13:16 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Paloma_55

Besides the body temperature issues, do not forget that a newly evolved human-bird flue virus will face no resistnace from the human immune system. Since no human has every been exposed to this virus, the human immune system is unprepared for infection. Other flu viruses that have been around for a while are self-similar enough that a healthy adult will have some immune response to it. THis new bug is just that - new. Survivors will have some immunity to future variations, but not to the initial pandemic.


16 posted on 10/05/2005 12:16:22 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: BurbankKarl
Two teams of scientists reported that they re-created the influenza virus that killed as many as 50 million people in 1918 and 1919.

Could someone explain to a simple old me why recreating a virus that killed tens of thousands of people was a GOOD idea?!?

17 posted on 10/05/2005 12:18:57 PM PDT by Malacoda (*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ! *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*)
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>>>Could someone explain to a simple old me why recreating a virus that killed tens of thousands of people was a GOOD idea?!?>>>

To see how and why it mutates into a human to human virus from a bird to bird or bird to human virus.


18 posted on 10/05/2005 12:21:42 PM PDT by sandbar
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To: Malacoda

My guess by recreating the virus, they can extract the DNA and use it create vaccines. But just my guess.


19 posted on 10/05/2005 12:22:02 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (Shiny things distract me :))
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To: doc30
You can't create a vaccine for a disease that does not yet exist.

Not necessarily. Dependent on how much the virus mutates and and how much the viral coat (which is a bunch of polysaccharides that surround the virus) has changed. The antibodies we produce for the original virus "MAY" give protection for the new virus.

Cowpox is a good example. It is very similar to small pox but only causes a mild illness in humans. However, if you are exposed to cowpox and develop the mild infection you will have antibodies against smallpox and are immune.
20 posted on 10/05/2005 12:25:16 PM PDT by cpdiii (Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, Oil Field Trash and proud of it, full time Iconoclast.)
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