Posted on 10/05/2005 10:10:11 AM PDT by sully777
It continues to amaze me how the media and government obviously tries to hide the attacks by Islamic terrorists! What is the deal anyway? Why do they do this????
Something is going on, yet there is "NO THREAT" from any of his buddies! /sarcasm
They released the guy because he promised the FBI that he didn't know what was in his roommate's room. He probably said the door was always locked and he wondered himself what was going on. He probably said that the strange beard the guy grew was because he was a wannabe, but didn't ever fit in with the Muslim student crowd. In fact, it is possible this kid was just plain crazy. And the FBI knows this from his psych. history. The reason I am saying this is that the feed store man reports the kid was muttering to himself. He sounds like he had mental problems.
Anybody remember the pizza delivery guy in Pennsylvania who had an explosive device attached to his neck? He was told to follow orders in a strict time fashion (such as rob a bank) or else it would blow up? He ended up dying.
How do we know this Paki room-mate didn't drug the kid, strap him with a similar device and place him at the site?
I would think that 19 hijackers had mental problems too. Anyone who kills themselves in the name of Allah is NUTS. It still doesn't stop them from being TERRORISTS or wannabees.
If some kind of attack is foiled under the media's radar, then stonewalling can create enough room for our security agencies to maneuver and exploit the take.
But when an attack takes place and is reported on by the media, the only chance of buying the time necessary to exploit the take requires making the enemy believe we have mis-read the situation.
To be honest, I'm not saying that you, or anyone else here is violating security, because this one, in my opinion, got out too far and wide to be contained. That doesn't preclude the official reaction though, there's a huge difference between suspecting an enemy has gotten inside on you and KNOWING an enemy has gotten inside on you, we do not wish to confirm to the enemy that we indeed have skirted his screens on this one.
What does irritate me is people who aren't accepting what their own eyes are telling them. An explosion can be anything. An exploding person, with any subsequent demolitions of unexploded ordinance limits the possibilities significantly. The discovery of further ordinance inside the suicide bomber's living quarters tells me everything I need to know.
A Pakistani roommate and visits to a mosque are icing on the cake.
An inability to account for the bomber's previous whereabouts, in this context, is a bright red arrow pointing at a jihadist training camp.
A demonstrated ability to account for the bomber's previous whereabouts in the recent past, such as his presence in a fertilizer store can only indicate an ongoing investigation that started before he vaporized himself.
I guess the question then is, just what exactly, is it going to take for people to realize that they have it right?
Because the next step is an official admission, such as the one I posted in my last message here.
Trust your instincts, recognize the information you can extract from your conclusions, and move ahead. Put the knowlege to work. Large gatherings of Americans have been, are, and will continue to be an attractive target for terrorism. Do you really need to have someone openly admit that yes, football games qualify for inclusion in this context?
I suppose what concerns many of us is the fact that this story was on its way to being deep-sixed, if it had not been the subject of so much interest on this forum, and maybe a couple of others.
Deep-sixed as so many incidents have been in the past.
We don't need more cover-ups.
No, most of us don't have to be told that large gatherings are perfect venues for those who want to cause mayhem. That's been a given for so long that we know it instinctively.
I have no problem with an investigation unfolding in due course, but it's wrong for those of us, taxpayers footing the bills for all of it, not to be allowed to know the results. It's more than tiresome at this point.
And insulting to be told ridiculous lies about things we can all see for ourselves.
The FBI today refused to conduct accountability reviews for those involved in the FUBAR situation that let 911 happen. So, don't hold your breath.
It sounds like they picked him up before they got the search warrant for the apartment. He was picked up latter on Saturday, IIRC, while the stuff was found in the apartment on Sunday, and exploded on the police range that evening. Of course by that time, the guy is long gone for parts unknown, but predictable. Maybe they'll catch him at the border or boarding a plane or boat. Probably not though, if he heads north rather than south (The Mexicans are more careful about who they let in, at least through the official crossing points and airports.)
Still if he had plans in place, he might be in Mexico or have been there, but now headed for the tri-border area of South America.
It's interesting though that they knew to pick up those particular Muslims Saturday night, when the body wasn't ID'ed until later. Or at least the ID was released later.
texasbluebell wrote:
"...I have no problem with an investigation unfolding in due course, but it's wrong for those of us, taxpayers footing the bills for all of it, not to be allowed to know the results. It's more than tiresome at this point.
And insulting to be told ridiculous lies about things we can all see for ourselves."
"Ridiculous lies" like "large stockpiles of WMD in Iraq", when we know that Saddam never achieved an operational binary capacity, had chemical weapons with a shelf life of weeks or even days, and always used a just in time delivery mechanism when employing such weapons on the battlefield?
I feel bad for you, sincerely. What you want simply isn't going to happen under this administration, and if another administration takes over and changes that, then I fully intend to employ every tactic I can against them, because placing the public's right to know at a higher priority than operational security means giving away tactical and strategic advantage, which in turn costs our guys' lives.
Further, I'm going to say that in my opinion, labeling this incident a "cover-up", is either naive or maliciously ignorant.
Take your pick.
Looks like one big happy family, the Cheemas from Pakistan.
Cheema is a very common Punjabi surname. Even Hindus have it. In fact these are Hindu surnames and Muslims have retained their surnames even after conversion to Islam.
"North American Islamic Trust, Burr Ridge, IL "
~~~~~
This group you listed above is the owner of record of the Norman mosque.
R0091966 NORTH AMERICAN ISLAMIC TRUST
1304 GEORGE AVE NORMAN 73072
Cleveland
Account Number R0091966
Owner Information Section 0 Township/Range 000-000
NORTH AMERICAN ISLAMIC TRUST
745 MCCLINTOCK STE 114
BURR RIDGE, IL 60527 Subdivision HARDIE RUCKER
Block 4 Lot 23
School District NC29
Land Units 0.42 Land Length X Width 0X0
Values Market Assessed
Land 0 0 Building Elements Sales Info
Improvement 0 0 Building Style Convential 1 Story Date 00/00/0000
Total 168916 0 Stories Urban Residential, Single Family Price 0
Homestead Year Built 1950 Deed Type
Taxable 0 Main SF 1164 Grantor
School Levy X -102.01 Total Rooms 0
Estimated Taxes 0 Bedrooms 2
Tax Year 2004 Bathrooms 1
Legal HARDIE RUCKER LTS 23-27 BLK 4
"really, really, really, really dumb"
LOL!
Lutheran
"Pakistan team headed by Brig Javed Cheema of the Interior Ministry had been in the United States to seek release of the Pakistani prisoners
Brig. Javed Iqbal Cheema, the chief of the National Crisis Management Cell coordinating with U.S. officials in the war against terrorism, said Pakistani policies do not allow American troops to operate inside the country."
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[From OU Pakistani Students Association website on www.ou.edu, approximately 1999]
Desi List
Following is a list of Pakistanis in Norman. Some of these people have graduated (indicated by ) from OU
Javed M Iqbal Cheema
"TULSA MUSLIMS CONDEMN TERRORIST ATTACKS
(TULSA, OKLAHOMA- 9/11/2001) - Muslims of Greater Tulsa area today condemned the apparent terrorist attacks in New York and Washington and offered condolences to the families of those who were killed or injured.
Islamic Society of Tulsa representatives said:
CONTACT: Sheryl Siddiqui 810-4646 or Mujeeb Cheema 592-4422"
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[Current OU students]
Umair Mujeeb Cheema umcheema at OU dot edu
(at = @; dot = .)
Student Info
Senior
college of arts and sciences Address
10919 S Quebec Pl
Tulsa, OK 74137
299-5268
Zunaira M Cheema zunairacheema at OU dot edu
(at = @; dot = .)
Student Info
Senior
college of arts and sciences Address
10919 S Quebec Pl
Tulsa, OK 74137
299-5268
I forgot to post this one, lost my place among all the threads:
Name : CHEEMA, TAHIR SARWAR
Airman's Address : xxxxx WOOD CREEK CT
PERRYSBURG, OH, 43551-6217
FAA Region : Great Lakes
Date of Medical : Nov, 2004
Class of Medical : 1
Expiration of Class 1 : May, 2005
Airman Certificates : Airline Transport Pilot
Airplane Multi Engine Land
Commercial Pilot Privileges only
Airplane Single Engine Land
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